dear mods

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 22.07.2007, 14:34

Dreamcatcher wrote:Why aren't their cheathunters? Report buttons next to every offer? (easy to make) A top x of the biggest trades in the past hour/day/week (or the highest bid for one offer) etc etc

1. There are people hunting down cheaters.
2. Report buttons next to every offer would be crazy. People would abuse it more than use it currectly, always happens. It is better to send the Admins a message as most people are to lazy to send them fake messages.
3. Why do we need a top X of the biggest trades? There is no good reason for that.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 22.07.2007, 15:31

TheSmell wrote:like ****.hotmail.com?

Like if I want to register a new company...
- I have to put my email address
- I receive an email with a link to activate my account

And then if I try to register a new company with the same address the system reject it... because I already used it for the other company...

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 22.07.2007, 15:42

Trading Holding LLC wrote:
TheSmell wrote:like ****.hotmail.com?
Like if I want to register a new company...
- I have to put my email address
- I receive an email with a link to activate my account

And then if I try to register a new company with the same address the system reject it... because I already used it for the other company...

You have my support on that. That is what I thought would happen when I first registered. Waited a few days and I never got anything, thought it was a bit odd.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 22.07.2007, 16:50

Azer Productions wrote:
Dreamcatcher wrote:Why aren't their cheathunters? Report buttons next to every offer? (easy to make) A top x of the biggest trades in the past hour/day/week (or the highest bid for one offer) etc etc
1. There are people hunting down cheaters.
2. Report buttons next to every offer would be crazy. People would abuse it more than use it currectly, always happens. It is better to send the Admins a message as most people are to lazy to send them fake messages.
3. Why do we need a top X of the biggest trades? There is no good reason for that.

Ever played hattrick.org? 950k players, thousands of transfers every day. You can report every transfer by clicking the button. It works perfect. The top of biggest trades (trades, not traders) can also be used to track down cheaters as big amounts of money for a small amounts of goods would be shown.

You say there are Hunters. In this topicit is said that there are 2 mods and 2 admins and that the mods have no ingame rights. 1 admin is away or something, so that leaves 1, who prolly has also better stuff to do concerning the game. Apparently there are other cheaterhunters....then why aren't they known??? There should be a page with all the game autorities on it (including forum) + their functions

And maybe some more mods/admins/hunters would be nice.

Grtz, DC

btw, a "counter" (don't know the righht word) with all the caught cheater that week/month on the office page would discourage people to cheat.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 22.07.2007, 17:11

I have played several games with 1Mil+ players. The one that has a report button is always banning just about as many people for abusing the button as for cheating. I like that we need to send the info to a game Admin as people, most of the time, will not take the time to abuse reporting then.

The big trades... have you bothered to look at the size of the largest companies? All you would get are those companies not the cheaters. Most cheaters tend to make companies than sell off their materials to their "main". Those trades wouldn't even show up to 30Mil+ building trades.

Hunters... I know both Admins and mods have talked about there being bots that monitor trades. However, I am not sure about the number of game Admins watching the market with this information.

As Attotech said, they don't get payed for this job. Unlike your big 900k+ people a day game where they have teams of employees. This game simply doesn't have the funds or manpower. (From my talks with one of the mods he wasn't sure if they made much more money than to just cover the server. Though, he really had no idea outside of people saying how much they spent.)

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 22.07.2007, 17:44

Signed

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 22.07.2007, 18:08

@Azer:

I don't know how many people play this game, but if you appoint 1 active player (Gamemod with a sole purpose of hunting cheaters) for every 200 people or something (maybe less, depending on how much cheaters there seem to be) who take a look at all the reports and who have the power the punish people. They don't need to be known so they can't get bribed or something.

About the list thing: A formula that calculates the link between price/amount/Q could work. Big players buy high amounts with high Q, but cheaters who transfer to their main by for a lot of money small amounts and small Q (mostly 0 I guess). If you put such transfers in a formula it would result in a completly different result.

Grtz, DC

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 22.07.2007, 18:14

Why not having a tread to post banned cheaters ?
So we could see if it works or not ...
And a few more volonteers with the power of freese an acount should be good , then when a admin has time he could look if it is freesed with right or not .

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 22.07.2007, 18:29

Dreamcatcher wrote:@Azer:

I don't know how many people play this game, but if you appoint 1 active player (Gamemod with a sole purpose of hunting cheaters) for every 200 people or something (maybe less, depending on how much cheaters there seem to be) who take a look at all the reports and who have the power the punish people. They don't need to be known so they can't get bribed or something.

The problem will be finding that high amount of players who the current game admins will trust. It isn't easy to find people who will not abuse their powers.

However, as I said before, I do believe we need more active Admins and Mods.

The list thing still will not work. It only spies on the rich and will not list the poor(Who are most of the cheaters).

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 22.07.2007, 20:18

Agreed on the first thing

I think it might work, but of course I don't have access to the game data. Maybe the admins could see if it possible.

Grtz, DC

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 22.07.2007, 21:35

Hows this set a x times y times c price ( between x and y)(ANd c being the number of items) if you stray over thos, youll get a warning, in your igm. If you do it again youll get 1 more message and be banned for q amount of days, After this there banned. this way if a noob goes over or under withought knoing it he still has a chance. NO more need to reporte it be automatique. ALso use the activation code for 1 email only, You can also bind this to 1 IP also, so if he does go and make another email. he still has to make a new IP also, would slow them down, We do need more mods and admins i agree with that. And instead of paying them with money give them free coins. More you do the better you get paid. TO the point of they just go to the smallest price, who cares how much money can you be making off selling steel 124c? alot less. Also build a shauwn forum. If a person does bad stuf you can right there company name there and reasons. That person could then defende there actions. YOu can trade with them if you see it fit to. I do like the no trading untill you have 75000c fixed assets but thats easy to get arouned, I signed

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 22.07.2007, 23:39

@ Trading Holding LLC

All you need is another hotmail account and you will sidestep that problem. Cheaters have a huge list of email addresses (some of which have been used and banned from other games). It's organized crime, not just 13yo dweebs.

That 20% rule is a bit hard on power and water deals. Some players sell power on the market at 0.08 when the market price is 0.12...

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 23.07.2007, 08:04

Cheating in game like this is definately NO organized crime...just some kids making another hotmail account to send money.

Organized crime only exists in places where they play for REAL money

Tycoon · Post by **Tycoon** » 23.07.2007, 08:08

First of all:
this is a holiday time... not only in Germany, but also in many other countries around the whole world. And I think everybody should be able to take his time to recover... it is obviously now for me, that not everybody has the same opinion...

First I thought to reply to every single post here... but I give it up... because I see, that lots of posts / sentences/ opinions simply do not stick to the truth... therefore I am giving you just a general opinion of mine:
1. if you report somebody to be cheating, I am checking the accounts immediately. Usually, one cheater is being reported about 5 times by different players. But there are also companies being reported to us, who are not cheating... so no reason to delete them... respectively to set fixed assets + cash to 0 (that*s what i usually do). If somebody has been reported and we cannot find any reason why he should cheat, this company is being observed. That*s the reason why you somebody see a company being locked only after sometimes 5-6 days. (please keep in mind: if you see e.g. somebody selling power for 5 through the market and this power disappears, there are also cases, where the seller buys it back himself...)
Furthermore there are numbers of companies playing this game from the beginning on but having just 2 or 3 buildings... they only trade... nothing else... so having a low fixed asset and selling 100k steel does not necessarily mean that company is cheating...

Reporting a company does not automatically mean that this account will be locked... and I won't give the details to any third party.... if somebody tells me to observe your account, you would not want me to say to him: no he does not cheat he is just buying his steel for 100.... or anything similar...

in german version everytime is 1 mod active in forum. most time of the day i dont see an active mod here. sorry. the day have 24 hours, and nobody must be online 24 hrs/day, but if there are more than 1 mod, it should be possible, that the most time one mod is present. it is an international game, so we have players from all around the world - and we need mods from all around the world, too.

You cannot compare the German forum with our forum here... and you cannot compare the users there with the (international) users here... there is a huge difference. btw: you do not know the hidden status, do you? I know one of the mods who is online 24 hrs a day... you just don*t see that

in german version is a security-code. maybe cheaters ignore this or crack this too, but now its the easiest way, i guess.

There is a reason why the security code is in the German, but not in this version... by the way: the security code also does not exist in any other game Nasenprinz made after the German version. A security code keeps NOBODY from building e.g. 20 e-mail accounts in order to be able to establish 20 companies in game... security codes can only prevent from bots.... I should say: they were able to in former times... but bots are learning...

Cheaters that GET cought should have a sort of a ban , maybe IP-ban ? ( could make some trouble in internet-caf

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 23.07.2007, 08:15

Nothing to add here, I've not been playing long enough to know so much

Although there are more ways to prevent or take on cheating.

Grtz, DC