price ban?

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My rule of thumb.
Don't sell for less than the true cost to produce. (Market value for each of the products required to make the final product.)
Don't sell higher or lower than 20% of the average market price.

The average market price varies extremely form 20% below to 300% above (Im only talking about prices that has NPC as a base price) but the problem is for example Cars, the lowest right now is 150k and the highest is 2 million hehe explain to me which is the Average price? Half of the products will still be more than 20% lower or higher than the so-called "average price"

The issue here is that many people (Players) doesnt understand how high or low can you go due to the fact that there is nothing in the rules with a specific price of how much can you actually sell a product. Many companies lose there accounts because of this, thats why they should put this in writing.

Thats why they should just make it more simple as putting a price on all the products and companies can just sell 20% below or higher than the "Base Price" like stones and wood....

As always I dont really care about that. I can just go somewhere else and play in a "Non-Kapi" game but I already invested a lot of time and effort to this game and not to forget the Hundreds of dollars I spent in this game.

The main issue for me is why cant I edit the company ID in paypal so I can give coins to my co-workers and friends as a present?

Not able to edit the company ID in paypal to purchase coins is a bad idea I could have bought more coins if I can just edit them....


Regards
Zandoria Inc

P.S. I guess the revolution is still alive

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its alive as long as i live.

and if you are at work, you cant tell your boss to increase your monthly income or double it just because you want to.

thats the stuff what comes out of the back of a bull!!

i managed to jack up my salary by 350%! so...it IS possible!

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What's funny here is that nobody seems to see how this discussion mirrors differences of principle in the real world. Also, it seems to me quite obvious which side of the Atlantic certain people are from, judging by their attitude towards in-game laissez-faire vs protectionism. Protection of domestic production, at least of certain key products, such as in agriculture, is the order of the day, and not a very strongly contested policy in many real-world economies. As I understand, this game is based in Germany, so I suppose the rules are made with EU traditions in mind.

Personally I haven't been playing for that long, and my business is still fairly small. As such I can perfectly appreciate the necessity of protecting small businesses and offering subsidies through price caps and regulating price dumping. Without protection against large companies dumping prices on raw materials short-term production and therefore also the markets in many mid-range commodities would dry up and the whole system stop functioning, except if supported by system production and the artificial outlet of the shops.

What I'm missing in the game, as I have come to understand it, is a greater presence of macroeconomic factors in the game. Variable wages, availability of skilled labor, unemployment, tariffs and so on might make it more interesting, perhaps? And why is there no bank? It would have been great to be able to finance growth by borrowing. I haven't reached the stage where I can trade shares yet so my experience here is limited, but why can't I for example divide my business into several branches or companies and sell shares in each to raise capital? That way I could start up, say, a power plant, finance it in part by selling 49% of stock, pay out dividends to whoever owns the shares for a while, and perhaps buy them back later.

Also, although I haven't seen it for myself there is talk of punishment for companies dumping prices. How about, instead of "dissolving" these companies, use real-world penalties? Fines, punitive taxes and so on?

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So the idea is dead. Good

The bank has stooped working as well as shares. There were bugs in it and the admin closed (but not removed) because they couldn't fix it. There have been lots of ideas bringing it back but they fail like tis idea.

Back to topic. If Upjers wanted to make the game fair, there would be no NPC, there would be recessions, wages will increase and so on.

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mhm but without a NPC the prices go that high that the game cant be played anymore

something which in real world, thanks to russia and china, wont happen, since russia got HUGE oilfields and china HUGE iron mines

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mhm but without a NPC the prices go that high that the game cant be played anymore

something which in real world, thanks to russia and china, wont happen, since russia got HUGE oilfields and china HUGE iron mines

Jan what do you mean?
Can someone give some advice on what "unfair trades" are, that is Admin?

[Guest]

selling Q0 item above npc price (or for for much less)
or selling an building for less of the construction costs

[Guest]

hi jan
thanks for the "free advert" for my wares.
although i see your point im not sure if i agree.
you asked me if i sold coins,if i had any left, then asked btw why do i buy 1000 per week on 1st jan
on the same day i replied to you and said yeah i do at at the mo they cost 30 mill. i buy off my paypal account (which there is a bonus % when you buy off paypal) i mention the last time you asked they were too dear for you i recall that was a month or so ago.
you then replied that you had 5 or so offers and you were looking for the cheapest.
i think i replied ok fine....
you then said about ebay..nice what you selling.
i dont think i replied to that question did i ?
then today i find a igm from you saying you would buy 200 coins for 20 mill.
i told you they are 30 mill.
if i cant sell them i drop the price or keep them makes no odds to me as my paypal is a free fund as i sell item on there thats junk really ready for the trash can but someone thing there worth buying.
as you can see i dont need to sell nor do i need to sell to you.
its called a business. if you want something you pay sometimes a little extra. i after all am held to ransom on some quest item i look for and again its called a market i pay over the top for some items and lower for others,
ok i sell coins cheaper to some and to you i still sell for 30 mill the reason why is you have the the exp and cash and whatever else to know that once you get on the wrong side of someone its hard to retact back
i asked you a while back about a building you were selling to negotiate i recall it as a maxed cattle reseach that you had bid on and won and i wanted to buy yours off you and what happened.......you held me to ransom then..remember that jan? i think you called it a business then well selling things is a supply and demand thing you will not get away from paying for things in life.
not sure if i came off the track a little but
its sounds like sour grapes jan what was good for you is now not good? or have i missed the point? but whatever dont take as a pop.
i used to sell you higher Q wood cos you paid well now i sell for lower within the 10% rule it works for me

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3. for the game its bad, because a banned account doesnt pay for coins, and no coins is no income. not every1 makes a new account after beiing banned. Quinn-group (r2) as an example buys 1.000 coins a week! if u ban him itll cost you 100 euros a week, which comes to 52.000 euros a year, u can pay the cleaning lady with that! just by 1 person! (ok he might be a lil bit luna to do, but its his choice)

jan i dont think the sums are as dramatic as your figures?
100 euro per week comes to 5200 euro
100x52=5200

[Guest]

Quinn, are you having a rant at jan? Can you add to this topic/debate?

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mhm but without a NPC the prices go that high that the game cant be played anymore

something which in real world, thanks to russia and china, wont happen, since russia got HUGE oilfields and china HUGE iron mines

I was going to keep quiet, until Quinn said something in the last reply I wrote, then deleted. So I guess I'm not alone with what I am thinking, but first........

Russian oil and Chinese steel have an impact how exactly on the world economy Jan? Ok, since when did Russian oil do that? Saudi Arabia has that title, not Russia for one. Two, Brazil has the largest iron mines, not China for two. If China had such huge iron mines, then why do countries, like the USA, export recyclable steel to them?

That's like saying Israel is the leading exporters of chimpanzees.

[Guest]

You stole Vive le Revolution off me!

I think that the current rule needs to be adjusted to accept lower prices, but not too low to give advantages.

[Guest]

@quinn dont mention it, i indeed made a slight mistake, still 5200 is alot aswell

also, i buy for 25, not 20.. and..yes i sold you the RC, for a fat bonus for me, so? i want coins, yes, but i aint paying 30m ea. dont go cry here like a lil baby and trying to make my name bad! if i read it clearly, u try to tell everyone im a complete ass and you sell yer wood for elss to others cuz u dont like me. fine. thats the joy of money, you stop? NEXT!



@opus russians are having big oil fields, they just dont use em, like the north pole part.

also..they produce ALWAYS THE SAME. they wont to as sneaky as the arabs to raise prices and lower the barrels a day. if its $30 or $300, russians work.

why china needs more iron(not steel!) than the got? well maybe its because theyre the worlds largest economy IN GROWTH %?

finally, @corpbulldog7 learn to read, i said vive lA revolution, u said vive lE revolulution. a-e guv

[Guest]

And Jan explodes into a beautiful, fiery, multi-colored explosion.


Tada!

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