reduce expantion times

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 26.07.2008, 07:28

i dnt say it has to be reset i was givin ex of another game but i feel it shud reset cause new players would lyk to join but the old players in the speed server wud be tycoon or somethin and tho the new players have advantage they wnt be able to lvl up wid old players... so it shud restart after a period of tym(maybe a yr or so cause by then cause of speed ppl might have finished the game)

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 28.07.2008, 22:39

One thing that hasn't even been touched by Kapi is making the max size bigger. Think of it, if the max size was....200,000m2, even with instant build times, it would take a long long long long time to get there. Really, i don't see a reason for any max size, just make a complex-ish forumula that will navigate the production of buildings based on the original production (it would account for the lower production based on higher size, meaning a 40m2 building doesn't do as much as 2 20m2 buildings, same for 2 100,000m2 buildings to 1 200,000m2 building). Yes, expansion would become nearly pointless after a long time, and there would probably have to be a system implimented to slow down 100% sellers (they could double their sales capacity every 10 days, holy cow

), but the system would work nicely. It would bring competition back to the FA system, because soon everyone is going to be all max size buildings, so what is the point of the FA stat? With no max size, or a much higher max size, it would be a lot longer until you hit the max FA, if you can hit it at all. I think this game was originally designed with a higher size in mind, think about it. The max size is 32,767m2 if i am correct, that is not a number that someone would "end" with, if you know what i mean. I think that the max size should be expanded using a forumula, eliminate all expansion times, and this would be the best economic sim out there. If you don't believe me, start a realm 3, use that system, we'll see how it takes off.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 28.07.2008, 23:18

APCE Production wrote:One thing that hasn't even been touched by Kapi is making the max size bigger. Think of it, if the max size was....200,000m2, even with instant build times, it would take a long long long long time to get there. Really, i don't see a reason for any max size, just make a complex-ish forumula that will navigate the production of buildings based on the original production (it would account for the lower production based on higher size, meaning a 40m2 building doesn't do as much as 2 20m2 buildings, same for 2 100,000m2 buildings to 1 200,000m2 building). Yes, expansion would become nearly pointless after a long time, and there would probably have to be a system implimented to slow down 100% sellers (they could double their sales capacity every 10 days, holy cow ), but the system would work nicely. It would bring competition back to the FA system, because soon everyone is going to be all max size buildings, so what is the point of the FA stat? With no max size, or a much higher max size, it would be a lot longer until you hit the max FA, if you can hit it at all. I think this game was originally designed with a higher size in mind, think about it. The max size is 32,767m2 if i am correct, that is not a number that someone would "end" with, if you know what i mean. I think that the max size should be expanded using a forumula, eliminate all expansion times, and this would be the best economic sim out there. If you don't believe me, start a realm 3, use that system, we'll see how it takes off.

So your not just saying that there should be no expanshoin times, but there should also be no Max building size! Are you nusts, After a few days, you would have expanded enuf to make a 100's of millions of dollers, then you would have people exponentually expanding. In the Run of a month you would have people expanding millions of square meters at a time using trillions of dollars, the buildings would just get stupidly big, and the max you can produce at a time is 99,999,999 so if you had a 2million square building it would only take seconds to make 99,999,999 Steel ,and because you have expanded your chemcal rc you would ahve Q127 steel in about a few weeks . No afence but i think Unlimites Building size is a dumb idea

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 28.07.2008, 23:20

One thing that hasn't even been touched by Kapi is making the max size bigger. Think of it, if the max size was....200,000m2, even with instant build times, it would take a long long long long time to get there. Really, i don't see a reason for any max size, just make a complex-ish forumula that will navigate the production of buildings based on the original production (it would account for the lower production based on higher size, meaning a 40m2 building doesn't do as much as 2 20m2 buildings, same for 2 100,000m2 buildings to 1 200,000m2 building). Yes, expansion would become nearly pointless after a long time, and there would probably have to be a system implimented to slow down 100% sellers (they could double their sales capacity every 10 days, holy cow ), but the system would work nicely. It would bring competition back to the FA system, because soon everyone is going to be all max size buildings, so what is the point of the FA stat? With no max size, or a much higher max size, it would be a lot longer until you hit the max FA, if you can hit it at all. I think this game was originally designed with a higher size in mind, think about it. The max size is 32,767m2 if i am correct, that is not a number that someone would "end" with, if you know what i mean. I think that the max size should be expanded using a forumula, eliminate all expansion times, and this would be the best economic sim out there. If you don't believe me, start a realm 3, use that system, we'll see how it takes off.

It's not really realistic to raise or remove the size limit. The limit of 32767 is likely created by their database using 16-bit integer storage. While they could change this, it would require a complete overhaul of the database and probably a day or two offline. There'd be riots.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 29.07.2008, 03:48

Well, i don't know how hard it would be to change the database. I know you could probably change the max amount that can be produced at one time, and yes, buildings would get crazy big, and it would happen very fast, but it would take the fact that this game DOES come to an END out. I love this game, and i don't want it to end. The only way they can do anything about the ending is to make more realms. This will turn into a big problem, and it's hard to see it now, but it could happen before we know it. The only real long long term goal is max FA, and Trillionare. They can both happen for most companies before 2011 by my estimate. Think about how dumb that is. And i did forget about the RCs, i guess there would still have to be a cap there.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 29.07.2008, 07:54

no expansion time is stupid it shud juz be reduced and the max size cud be increased but not to unlimited......

i still wonder how they thought of 32767 is it his car registration number or sumthin

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 29.07.2008, 14:48

adi2412 wrote:i still wonder how they thought of 32767 is it his car registration number or sumthin

has it have been said, 32767 is the upper limit of a 16 bit integer.

so you can guess that for dealing with size, they use integer of the
size of a word (16 bits). It's a size limit you'll find in many apps...

Locky

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 29.07.2008, 15:45

Sorry to say that no building size limit and expansion time is a stupid idea. No offending. APCE, that kind of formula is not suitable for this game, you know?
First, there is no upkeep or maintenance cost for the building or even staff salaries in this game. so player money will always stay the same or go higher if they make profit. and do you believe, all player will go for power and gas, make money, expand, make money expand, within 1 week, everyone wil be billionaire and got insane building size!
second the last, there is no "unlimited" for every games in this world. game data need database to stored, database server use bit and byte of the harddisk, more harddisk = more $. every game designer will think how to use their $ wisely before giving any fun and creative idea. if the idea is fun but will cost their $ much, they will ban this idea.

my personal feel the big flaw of this game is: there is no montly expenses for the player. i wonder, if this game got monthly salaries to pay, maintenance cost to pay, and the goods will be decayed if not sell within a period, I dont think you guys will complain nothing to do but just waiting for upgrade. and you guys must be very busy in how to struggle to survive.
a good business game should make players spend their time in business activities, not to think how to max out the expansion and quality. this game is fun in the begining, but become boring in the middle, because i feel like i am playing alone, produce alone, and sell alone. i can just make my fortune without interact with other players at all! there is no competitive in quality and price at all, which is bad for business game.

Please don't discuss other games on the forum - Mod

I bet if you play those games, most of your time will be spent on plotting a nice strategy to survive and deal with other players.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 29.07.2008, 20:28

sushi wrote:this game is fun in the begining, but become boring in the middle, because i feel like i am playing alone, produce alone, and sell alone.

please do so and you will fail miserably

sushi wrote: i can just make my fortune without interact with other players at all! there is no competitive in quality and price at all, which is bad for business game.
I bet if you play those games, most of your time will be spent on plotting a nice strategy to survive and deal with other players.

explore this game and you will see that there is a lot of things to compete in.

if you just advertise those 3 games you are nothing but a piece of [censored] who should stick to those games and shut the **** up here in the kapilands forums.
if not, force yourself to use your brain

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 29.07.2008, 21:05

oh god those games are lyk skewl- boooring

i play this game cause its fun and easy nthn to worry abt bt those mean real business srsly ppl cum here to relax nd njoi nt to get more stressed!

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 30.07.2008, 01:01

lol, GREED INC, using brain in this game? are you kidding? either you are just a kid or i d i o t

well, tell me how should i use my brain to be very successful in this game.
using excel sheet to calculate the best profit for every products? the fastest way to expand to 32767 m2 for all your building? to get most FA in this game?
man just admit this game is going to decaying due to its too simple and not challenging. if you guys feel other games i mention are boring, the only reason is because you cant accept any challenges in real business sim game. get your high score in those game and then only come here to b i t c h i ng me for no brain.

adi2412 wrote:

play this game cause its fun and easy nthn to worry abt bt those mean real business srsly ppl cum here to relax nd njoi nt to get more stressed!

see it GREED INC, (i still can control my self not calling u a Fxxker, but you really are). this game is fun for those ppl who and enjoy and relax, and i am totally agree. it is because i have seen a lot of ppl giving a lot of s h i t suggestion to make the game more realistic. but since the beginning this game is not realistic at all, and just for fun!

I am opened for debating about this game is not realistic, if you guys got nuts, pm me or here , i will tell you guys what one by one if you dare

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 30.07.2008, 03:12

No, this game is not realistic, and isn't meant to be that way. I like it that way, your right, you don't have to figure out how to make profit, just how to make the most profit, which is much easier.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 30.07.2008, 09:07

@sushi - my point was if you like other games more, go play those games and dont complain about this game here

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 30.07.2008, 15:11

i found that you guys very hard to understand my words. maybe english is not my mother language.
i didnt say i dont like the game, and i didnt complain it is not realistic. i mean, i feel sick to see people giving a suggestion or compalin about the game is not realistic. because this game is not about realistic but fun.
this game is fun, no doubt. i like it very much.
i was just trying to ask those people who aim for realistic pls play other games and dont try to change the current nice game play.
i say this game is fun in begining but a bit boring in late game because it is too easy to make money here, bankruptcy and losing money is impossible here. but doesnt mean i will stop playing. but the truth is some players will leave due to boring, and it is just a normal phenomenon, not a big deal.

and again, pls dont reduce the expansion time, it is really a bad idea. now i am experimenting a very noob strategy to play wardrobe business, i don trade with others, i produce everything myself, even i buy from market, i buy from npc only, and i do the maths, i can get around 1.5 million cash within 1 to 2 months. so, without longer production time and expansion time, everyone can go insane easily.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 30.07.2008, 15:43

hey, make peace - no war.

reducing the expansion time means, the biggest company grow more faster and will be at the top for the rest of the game.

okay, its a little bit boring, to wait 1 year and more, till a store is up to max, but thats the game. and ive played enough games for some weeks. than i said, ready and the game was in the trashcan.

this will be my first max size building:

Germany:318 Furniture store E:1000 32767m