price ban?

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 04.01.2010, 20:11

id say we get rid off goldeneye's big snuffing nose (not an attack to you goldeneye, ur doing a very good job)

but...

i HATE this so called ''fairness''

who cares if someone sells coins for 10m when theyre worth 30m? (didnt happen to me, dont worry)

who cares if some1 sends wood for 20 while (s)he can sell for 100? thats the way the REAL ECONOMY works.

my proposal: get rid off this stupid rule saying u cant sell for too low/too high! its bullpoo if u ask me! i dont see the good thing of it, i only see negative aspects.

1. for smaller companies it costs a fortune to start, and if someone wants to be nice and help, they get banned. (trying to get rid of the nice ppl?)

2. for us bigger compaies (as i can say top-20 is big), theres never a lovely deal you wait for. never the excitement of a deal you can say HA! to others to. never something lucky. its all based on this or that, and if u dont follow it, mr snuffy comes along and bans you. (ban the fun?)

3. for the game its bad, because a banned account doesnt pay for coins, and no coins is no income. not every1 makes a new account after beiing banned. Quinn-group (r2) as an example buys 1.000 coins a week! if u ban him itll cost you 100 euros a week, which comes to 52.000 euros a year, u can pay the cleaning lady with that! just by 1 person! (ok he might be a lil bit luna to do, but its his choice)

4. it amazes me that the game won a price for ''looks like real economy''. i must agree its a good game, but its not like real, because in real life at the store u sometimes get discounts, which are legal, if u give a big discount on kapi, its ILlegal. were the judges drunk or so?

maybe i sound like im spoiled, maybe i sound like im a small kid shouting some stuipdity, but both im not. im just someone who tries to improve the game by removing the most stupid thing ever placed into the game. (well im not that old but..)

see, i do understand it is for ''protection of smaller companies'', but in real life there is no governement man who says ''oh those eggs are a month old, u know what i pay the full price for it to keep you surviving''
its all based on fairness, but the world is NOT FAIR. although we try to, some are poor and others aint. also a few 100 million x-mas trees are cut down a year to serve a week or 2 and then be burned away or made into a wooden walking path in the forest.

as i learned in economy classes, theres an ''invisible hand'' which makes price, quality, quantity and so all be good.

BUT....say i buy automobiles (i do not but as an example i do) for 200.000+50.000Q, this is rather...extremely expensive, and if i buy 1000 coins a week i can pay for it all. this would mean that other companies GOT TO join or else they will be banned.

i wonder who read all my text, but i hope my message is clear.

VIVE LA REVOLUTION.

jan1666 R2 (buying wood, not automobiles)

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 04.01.2010, 20:25

I read... I agree totaly with you.... BUT!

This is a game, if you start making discounts it's not fair for the new company's.... You are a BIG producer so you can give great discounts to other companies, at one point they will only buy from you because you sell the cheapest, because even selling cheaper you get A LOT of profit!

And the smaller companies can't sell their product because they haven't got the money to make discounts to get new buyers! And if you keep competing for better, and better discounts.... you will start selling the products at production cost, so no profit... and then the game is F*CKED!!

But now, awnsering you real life bl

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 04.01.2010, 20:42

I also agree but I don't think the rules will be changed. Banning price discrimination allows the market to stay stable. It means that prices dont fluctuate madly depending all on how much a person feels like selling. It gives the game a bit more order. Some advice on what is unfair and what isn't would be nice though.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 04.01.2010, 20:43

thanks for spending time but..

who cares about small companies? if u want it to look like real-life u gotta do it good. not that it is bad, oh no, i love the game.

but..if we sell for production costs we dont grow, and u gotta agree with me about this:

here in holland, fuel is 1.40 per litre

shell sells for 1.39
exxon sells for 1.41

still they both sell alot!

see..the world isnt like you hope it is, we dont spend alot of poe keeping the small businesses alive. your service and so should be good enough so the customers pay the extra money!

i dont care if u wanna cuddle em all, but the real world doesnt, and so a real life based game shouldnt either.

why you think people go broke? not only becuse of bad management. because of CONCURRENTION! thats whats missing in the game. there is concurrention, however not enough. 1 buys for 2100+50Q and the other for 2200+50Q, there should be people having a big contract for 1500+50Q, and if ur the 1 who scores it, ur very happy. now it cant cuz if u do so u can say goodbye to your account.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 04.01.2010, 20:44

jan1666 wrote: who cares about small companies?

Without small companies the game will die and we will never get Realm3. Small companies care about small companies and a lot of people do care.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 04.01.2010, 20:45

@kingrewt know the milk problem in europe?

price used to be 40p, now 20p due to overproduction.

if people overproduce the price drops irl, but if u drop it here u'll be banned (if u sell for quite alot lower)

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 04.01.2010, 20:51

Then don't sell for quite a lot lower. This would cause the prices to go up and down insanely. one minute it will be profitable not the next. You are nit picking jan.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 04.01.2010, 20:57

Your are both getting it all wrong....

Imagine you are a new player, that just discovered the joy of playing kapilands.... You would like to be able to create a companie and grow... not bankrupt one week after starting.. the proposition you are making only benefict the ENORMOUS companies like your.... like the TOP20!

"So, i understand that you wish that the game only works for BIG companies, TOP20, and that they concur with each other for supermacy...."

ARE YOU F*CKING CRAZY!!

Only 20 people playing kapilands? What about the rest? If you want a game like that go play some game that as got rounds... that way i understand your logic... but this is a pacience game... it takes time... there are people playing since 2007... 3 YEARS! 3 YEARS! That's a LOT!

So your idea is completly crazy and makes no sense for this game...

Thank you,
Inatel

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 04.01.2010, 21:03

i dont say only 20 but i cant say someone at 10.000 is good.

small companies sell to bigger till they grow and are big themself.

also, im not crazy, and i play for 1,5 years or so(may '08)

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 04.01.2010, 21:10

If Kapilands had been a real market there would be a lot off problem if a company used markedpower to destory competitors. So there are rules against it (just ask Microsoft), but in Kapilands you can switch between many products whitout cost so there is little couse to fear that small company will be harmed by large companies selling products cheap.
Since most products are a used to produce other products small companies will benefit. They need less working capital and get better margins when selling.
It shouldn't be an offence to give sell to a low/high price. Demand for a product should decide the price.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 04.01.2010, 21:11

But they will also have competitons... It's going to be a BIG confusion...

So... forget it, It Will Never Happen!

Regards,
Inatel

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 04.01.2010, 22:21

it should stay just as it is.

yes, it's harder for smaller companies to start off, but it's the same way IRL.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 04.01.2010, 22:36

my prob is how low can u go before u get banned

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 04.01.2010, 22:48

indeed, no1 knows, so there must be specific rules or no rules at all.

not like, yes you gotta buy for ABOUT the rest..is that 5%? 10%? 20%?

be specific or dont be at all.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 05.01.2010, 00:00

Hi,

while I agree that these rules are a little out of the reality, I do have to say that they HAVE to be there. Unfortunately - actually like in reality - there is always a few people that abuse a perfectly well running system. Therefore, rules had to be established.

In reality, these rules also exist, but on a much smaller level. For example, the anti-dumping legislation that disallows companies selling goods/services under the price of their production is very prevalent in most western economies.

I don't get the whole "small companies vs. big companies" discussion here, because the problem is somewhere completely different: Cheaters, namely multi-accounters. If those "minimum prices" didn't exist, we would be flooded with people that set up several accounts to produce something and sell it extremely cheap, perhaps even under their production costs to their "main" account. This way, the main account gets boosted and the "supplier" accounts go bankrupt. But in this game, nobody cares really about bankrupcy of small companies, since you just turn around and reset it (I wish it was that easy in real life

).

So - sorry for the wall of text - while the rules are pretty strict and sometimes it really sucks not to be able to help some friends that just started with a couple of cheap coins, I don't agree with getting rid of these rules.

Socro

PS: There is the general rule of Market Price - 10% for contracts (since you don't have to pay the 10% penalty). So - while not officially stated - they are somewhat specific