Need opinions about building set-ups

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 04.10.2007, 00:18

Hi there all

oke first of all, i know i had this topic before, but been calculating and brainstorming more and more on this and got 3 final building set-ups...
everything is calculated at industrilist level +
Oil at Q20 (50+1Q)
Gas at Q20 (worh 50 in gas stations and 28,5 when ya sell in contract)
at #2 you wil see there is a amount taken off wich is the production cost of the oil

#1: Lets say i build 94 factories to produce only gas

at all 2000m2:
produce 10,38 mil gas worth 295 mil but you need 2 mil oil wich cost
140 mil....so your profit is 295-140=155 mil
at all 4000m2:
produce 14,77 mil gas worth 421 mil but you need 2,95 mil oil wich cost
206,5 mil....so your profit is 421-206,5=214,5 mil
at all 8000m2:
produce 18,98 mil gas worth 541 mil but you need 3,8 mil oil wich cost
266 mil....so your profit is 541-266=275 mil

#2 lets say i build 38 wells // 38 fact // 20 gas stations

wells // fact at 2000m2 (needs 4000m2 gas stations)
wells produce 932k oil = 4,66 mil gas // factories produce 4,2 mil gas
overproduction of 200k gas = 5,7 mil and 88k oil = 6,16 mil
so profit is 200 (from gas stations) +5,7+6,16-13,98=197,88 mil

wells // fact at 4000m2 (needs 6000m2 gas stations)
wells produce 1,35 mil oil = 6,78 mil gas // factories produce 5,96 mil gas
overproduction of 156k oil = 10,9 mil
so profit is 300 (from gas stations) +10,9-20,25=290,65 mil

wells // fact at 8000m2 (needs 7600m2 gas stations)
wells produce 1,79 mil oil = 7,16 mil gas // factories produce 7,67 mil gas
overproduction of 70k gas = 2 mil but need 102k oil
so profit is 380 (from gas stations) +2-26,85-7,14=348,01 mil

#3 Lets say i build 49 fact // 49 gas stations

all at 2000m2:
factories produce 5,4 mil gas // gas stations sell 4,9 mil gas
over production of 500k gas worth 14,25 mil but need 1,08 mil oil
so profit is 245 (from gas stations) +14,25-75,6=183,65 mil

factories at 4000m2 // gas stations at 3000m2:
factories produce 7,7 mil gas // gas stations sell 7,35 mil gas
over production of 350k gas worth 9,98 mil but need 1,54 mil oil
so profit is 367,5 (from gas stations) +9,98-107,8=269,68 mil

factories at 8000m2 // gas stations at 4000m2:
factories produce 9,89 mil gas // gas stations sell 9,8 mil gas
over production of 90k gas worth 2,56 mil but need 1,98 mil oil
so profit is 490 (from gas stations) +2,56-138,46=354,1 mil

oke these are my layouts and what i want realy is opinions about what would be the best #1 / #2 / #3

So far i see is #3 better since profit is highest and less king size buildings
but i want your comments plz

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 04.10.2007, 01:03

could it be that you forgot something at number 2?

oil = 100 power + 9 + quality factor
at q = 20 and power= 0,15 it shoud be 26.5 (round about)
and what are all the other figures?

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 04.10.2007, 01:29

wel dwarf, if i would go option 2 offcourse i keep in mind that the gas Q would be the same as in #1 and #3 and i kept in mind that production cost for oil is higher then the standard 9 so i took for example 15 per oil.
about the power..... yes i know it needs more power but power isent the biggest expenses here in this matter. #1 and #3 need power aswell and dident counted it in there either. i mainly put this on paper, what it would cost for oil purchase. so at #2 considering profit will be a little less due to more power, i just wanne have some opinions what # would be better considering the profit thats made here and the building size differnts

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 04.10.2007, 02:09

I think you know which one you want to do. If someone tells you #2 is the way to go, then they might be wrong. Same with #1 and #3.

Let's face it, to do well in business you have to do the research on what is best. Run some simulations using kapitools etc and work out all those numbers. As soon as you speculate market prices you speculate the outcomes.

Who knows what will happen in the near/distant future. Take the wood market for example. If you decided to get into making wardrobes 1 month ago and didn't speculate the wood price increase properly, you would/might have to buy your wood at todays prices, not last months prices. Profits won't be the same as your speculations last month. You might figure that you can make more income from another industry(eg selling wood).

So if you want to speculate about which setup is best, choose the one that you can adapt easily later. Make sure you can change to something else if the market turns against you.

Now maximizing profit is what you want, but you need to be aware that some setups can railroad you into reduced profits. I don't know what is going to happen next month/year but I am sure the market will vary.

My advice is to be ready to change the setup in the future if things don't go your way. A old man told me once - "Be ready to adapt or die" and another told me "Death is merely change". I keep this in mind when making decisions. Make your own decision. You have what it takes to do the research. Get your crystal ball out and tell us how accurate it is.

I am really glad you enjoy this game as I do. Once you setup your company you are the one who has to run it. Make it interesting! Make it profitable! Make it expandable and it will make you richer.

We are all richer when we enjoy. The price of gas will go down when demand is met, same as any product.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 04.10.2007, 02:34

well i must say, some nice words and agree, but.....
#3 would be best to me i would say myself considering highest profit and saves me if i am correct 47* 4000m2 expansions.......
but seoes tells me go ful factories
varg ab and dwarf told me earlier go 40 wels / 40 fact / 16 gas stations
others say full gas stations but it would be hard to find gas supplier...
i know prices changes, acooring to german server oil is alot higher..
also about demand, gas demand is very high and by far not reached realy... 135 mil demand and 64 mil supply in germany
also i gues to make best profit is to choose 1 industrie and if it might turn against ya in a year or shorter it aint easy to turn in a complete new direction anyway, wich counts for most high ranked players i think...
so since i layed out 3 building setups and hear from players #1 is best or #2 or #3 or even say fully gas stations, i kinda wanne know what other experienced players would say about it, cause i know alot big players here also play on perhaps all servers of germany...

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 04.10.2007, 04:08

its always gonna be difficult to go 100% gas stations or factories since its extremely hard to find that supply of oil or gas. You might even find it but one day they might stop and then you just sit there with your 100 factories or gas stations and no oil, gas. I actually know a player who has 100 gas stations and ive kept getting closer to him with just 10 gas stations and the 43*43 setup producing my own gas. However i ve been selling very little gas at my own stations coz those are always expanding. Once my gas stations are ready (10x 10000m2) I can sell all my gas in 1 day. Should be around 6.7 million. Also note that gas in contracts is worth 13+q and not 28.5c, so Q20 would sell for 33c. Obviously that could change by the time u build up your company.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 04.10.2007, 18:48

Without even looking that closely at the numbers (I'm assuming you calculated correctly, don't have time to comb through at the moment) I lean heavily toward "option 2."

Why? Because it yields two rewards I tend to favor: control and flexibility. With some of each, you're not dependent on anyone. But you can push harder on one part or another and move more through that section to maximize profits if the market shifts. (E.g. Oil goes down, start making more factories and buying oil, and don't expand your own wells for a while.)