Hi, I Just started and are producing Steel Q0 for the market and Gas Q0 for the people of France, via oil from my well(I got the money by selling some excess steel). I got some ideas for the money from these operations
Idea One
Buy a second gas station to sell higher Q gas(probably Q8ish from the market)
Idea Two
Double production for the gas/oil
Idea Three
Expand down the 'supply' chain and build some power plants and mines(for the steel)
Idea Four
Stop the steel production and switch to another factory good(like silicon)
So can someone recommed the/their own Idea/plan that would be the best for me.
Also just a couple of questions
1) Should I sell my low Q oil to buy High Q oil to make into High Q Gas?
2) Do you think there is a niche market for higher Q steel?(or do I have to find some people for contracts?)
3) Can High Q gas demand a better price from the 'people'?(without losing too much time)
4) Whats happens when you cancel a construction order?
It makes any difference I got about 2,000 of Q0 steel ready to sell right now.
Thank you for your time and sorry for the long post and incorrect terms.
Have I Done Anything Wrong/ Does my Plan makes any sense?
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It's hard for anybody to tell you what is the best strategy for YOU. I will assume that your main goal in playing is to have fun and make it to the big time fast.
Rule #1: Don't expand your buildings, just buy new buildings until you have the maximum number of buildings. For a standard acct. that number is 60, so you have a lot of buildings to buy before you should start expanding any particular building.
Rule #2: Work with the contest. There are a few things which I am sure you're aware of that you need to buy new buildings: caps (money); steel; stone; wood.
If you can make your own steel stone and wood then all you have to worry about is the caps. The contests found in the little newspaper icon in the left hand menu will make you caps faster than anything else.
Every fortnight the contest will change and you will be asked to produce a different product for our beloved CEO (the Kapiland developer: Nasenprinz). Don't enter the contest yourself. You will be able to sell these products to "rich" players for REALLY good prices.
So you will get your caps and steel and stone and wood. Now to your ideas...
Buying a lot of selling buildings will let you set your price high while your production quantity is low. However, since your research is still not very high, you might find that you can make more profit from selling water until your quality level is higher for producing gas. You won't have any problem selling high Q gas in the next few months.
Expansion is a must, particularly for steel and products required for steel production(coal and iron ore). Mines make good money but they are expensive at the start (don't worry they pay for themselves fairly quickly).
I wouldn't recommend making silicon. The players that need it can easily make it themselves or buy it from the market as the market price for silicon is very poor at the moment. If you Need it for yourself then that is a different story.
If you sell your Q0 Steel now, try to guarantee a future supply of steel. Expansion of buildings is very expensive on steel but you don't need much to build new buildings.
Last of all if you want to have a peak at other players companies, join a Trade Institution. The good ones will show you heaps more about growing and BOOMING in Kapiland. Good luck with your company and I wish you good profits. The more you play the more you will learn.
Oh and don't worry about long posts. It gives us something to read.
How are you with excel? 
You really should have a look at this... Kapitools
Rule #1: Don't expand your buildings, just buy new buildings until you have the maximum number of buildings. For a standard acct. that number is 60, so you have a lot of buildings to buy before you should start expanding any particular building.
Rule #2: Work with the contest. There are a few things which I am sure you're aware of that you need to buy new buildings: caps (money); steel; stone; wood.
If you can make your own steel stone and wood then all you have to worry about is the caps. The contests found in the little newspaper icon in the left hand menu will make you caps faster than anything else.
Every fortnight the contest will change and you will be asked to produce a different product for our beloved CEO (the Kapiland developer: Nasenprinz). Don't enter the contest yourself. You will be able to sell these products to "rich" players for REALLY good prices.
So you will get your caps and steel and stone and wood. Now to your ideas...
Buying a lot of selling buildings will let you set your price high while your production quantity is low. However, since your research is still not very high, you might find that you can make more profit from selling water until your quality level is higher for producing gas. You won't have any problem selling high Q gas in the next few months.
Expansion is a must, particularly for steel and products required for steel production(coal and iron ore). Mines make good money but they are expensive at the start (don't worry they pay for themselves fairly quickly).
I wouldn't recommend making silicon. The players that need it can easily make it themselves or buy it from the market as the market price for silicon is very poor at the moment. If you Need it for yourself then that is a different story.
If you sell your Q0 Steel now, try to guarantee a future supply of steel. Expansion of buildings is very expensive on steel but you don't need much to build new buildings.
Last of all if you want to have a peak at other players companies, join a Trade Institution. The good ones will show you heaps more about growing and BOOMING in Kapiland. Good luck with your company and I wish you good profits. The more you play the more you will learn.
Oh and don't worry about long posts. It gives us something to read. How are you with excel? You really should have a look at this... Kapitools
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Good advice from TheSmell as usual.
Steel is a good starter business, because q0 is practically as good as qAnythingElse. (People want steel mainly for building, where quality doesn't matter.)
Power and mines are also in this category.
Gas is a good long-term business, for the opposite reason. You can get quality up without much difficulty, and the more factories you have, the more benefit you get from that higher quality.
Most other businesses are in this category. You'll want to pick one and focus.
You've picked some decent things. Before trying out a new product line, it's not much math to check it out. For example, you mentioned Silicon. Check the market, and you see silicon sells at arount 4 caps. Then look at how much it costs to produce, including materials. And then multiply the profit times how many you can make a day. Is it better than gas or steel?
Steel is a good starter business, because q0 is practically as good as qAnythingElse. (People want steel mainly for building, where quality doesn't matter.)
Power and mines are also in this category.
Gas is a good long-term business, for the opposite reason. You can get quality up without much difficulty, and the more factories you have, the more benefit you get from that higher quality.
Most other businesses are in this category. You'll want to pick one and focus.
You've picked some decent things. Before trying out a new product line, it's not much math to check it out. For example, you mentioned Silicon. Check the market, and you see silicon sells at arount 4 caps. Then look at how much it costs to produce, including materials. And then multiply the profit times how many you can make a day. Is it better than gas or steel?
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Some great advice so far in this thread. I just wanted to mention you would see better profit if you sold your steel through contracts. You can find buyers in the faxes, or sell to anyone in this thread, really. Everyone wants steel and you could save yourself 10% through contracts.
You asked what to focus on, I vote focus on the items that don't require research. Coal, Iron ore, steel, stones, water and power. Keep that up till you have a large number of buildings, or you get bored and want to research things.
You asked what to focus on, I vote focus on the items that don't require research. Coal, Iron ore, steel, stones, water and power. Keep that up till you have a large number of buildings, or you get bored and want to research things.
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Thanks for all your help, but just some more queries,
How does a contract work? I mean I am guarenteed payment right? as the buyer has to pay before he uses the good. I only asking because I tried to set one up and it said 'send 300 steel to xx ltd'.
Is it possible to group units/buildings at higher levels? i.e I have a oil well a factory and a power plant so if I group them I can produce gas without having to order the power and oil first(So it acts like one big building)
Also is it considered cheating if you have a large inventory, which if sold would put you up to the next level.
How does a contract work? I mean I am guarenteed payment right? as the buyer has to pay before he uses the good. I only asking because I tried to set one up and it said 'send 300 steel to xx ltd'.
Is it possible to group units/buildings at higher levels? i.e I have a oil well a factory and a power plant so if I group them I can produce gas without having to order the power and oil first(So it acts like one big building)
Also is it considered cheating if you have a large inventory, which if sold would put you up to the next level.
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When you send units to market, you use the box on the lower left to set the price. When you send units as a contract, you use two boxes on the lower right - one has the company name and the other has the contract price.Puzzman wrote:How does a contract work? I mean I am guarenteed payment right? as the buyer has to pay before he uses the good. I only asking because I tried to set one up and it said 'send 300 steel to xx ltd'.
The goods are taken out of your warehouse and shipped with a contract to the buyer. He or she then sees what you've sent, but doesn't get them in their inventory until they accept the contract, which instantly sends the money back to you.
No, the numbers wouldn't work out anywhere near that neatly anyway. If you make power, oil, and gas, you need to manage all those different buildings and quantities yourself.Is it possible to group units/buildings at higher levels? i.e I have a oil well a factory and a power plant so if I group them I can produce gas without having to order the power and oil first(So it acts like one big building)
I sure hope not, I have at least 20 million worth of stuff in my warehouse.Also is it considered cheating if you have a large inventory, which if sold would put you up to the next level.
No it's fine.
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All sound good but silicon,
Price of silicon is horrible, it would never be worth it.
Big sellers on the market for factory goods are steel, gas and plastic.
Yes there might be a market for higher quality steel, I was thinking about it myself to buy just for tires, to raise it up a couple quality points but doubt it would move as fast as low quality steel.
Price of silicon is horrible, it would never be worth it.
Big sellers on the market for factory goods are steel, gas and plastic.
Yes there might be a market for higher quality steel, I was thinking about it myself to buy just for tires, to raise it up a couple quality points but doubt it would move as fast as low quality steel.
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Thanks, I was just wondering as sometimes I can grab high Quality raw materials for the same price as low Quality materials, So I was wondering if I could grab a premium for the high Q steel. But it seems that I would be better to settle for low Q steel, until I find a contract for the higher kind.Yes there might be a market for higher quality steel, I was thinking about it myself to buy just for tires, to raise it up a couple quality points but doubt it would move as fast as low quality steel.
If you got time, I got a one more question
When I research for a higher quality does it add to the existing quality? I.e If my raw materials have a average of Q3 and I set production for Q1 will it produce Q4 finished goods?
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Thanks for the link, I had looked at it(when I first started), but it makes more sense now.Knolls wrote:Did you read the FAQ forum? There's a section on production quality.
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Dunno this works for you or not, but i started out something like you.
Get gas from other ppl and stop doing it urself (if you have stations to sell it off in the first place), hence you got some free factory slot to do more steel.
Then try to control your full supply chain for your steel (not sure what or how many other building you need to do).
Then get some plantations and start making woods.
By now some of you might guess it; yes, its WARDROBES! At cost i am running about 400+ / wardrobe (controlling the whole supply chain) at Q4. Well the lowest bidder at FAX will gives you easily 1350 at Q0. $$$. Or you can also sell it yourself, if you want to.
There was another discussion some time ago, that mention, time to make steel and selling it isn't as profitable as selling the items making the steel, well that would at the end depends on your choice and direction how you would like to move on in this game.
Hope this helps.
Get gas from other ppl and stop doing it urself (if you have stations to sell it off in the first place), hence you got some free factory slot to do more steel.
Then try to control your full supply chain for your steel (not sure what or how many other building you need to do).
Then get some plantations and start making woods.
By now some of you might guess it; yes, its WARDROBES! At cost i am running about 400+ / wardrobe (controlling the whole supply chain) at Q4. Well the lowest bidder at FAX will gives you easily 1350 at Q0. $$$. Or you can also sell it yourself, if you want to.
There was another discussion some time ago, that mention, time to make steel and selling it isn't as profitable as selling the items making the steel, well that would at the end depends on your choice and direction how you would like to move on in this game.
Hope this helps.
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Thanks for the advice, I was planning to move into either electronic or home goods once I get enough cash.skyn wrote: Get gas from other ppl and stop doing it urself (if you have stations to sell it off in the first place), hence you got some free factory slot to do more steel.
At the moment I producing Q0 gas at a third of the price of the market price so on the 'unit' of well, factory and gas station(based on producing and selling 3200 units a day @20c, 16c of 'profit') I'm making a 8% return plus any excess oil(300ish units) sold. Where as with the steel I making 25c(on average) a unit with a production of 535 units a day so I making a 6.7% return(excluding all the cash tied up in holding the raw materials), plus without the hassle of sorting out the contracts. So I might stick to gas unless I decide to make my own Coal and Iron ore.
For those interested I decided to expand down the supply chain and built a power plant for my fifth building as this should raise make my Gas unit ROI to 8.4% (assuming I make 0.06c profit on each unit of power, 250000 daily production).