contract help for beginner please

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 13.02.2008, 05:27

Can someone tell me how contracts work? Is there a link for me to find more infomation? Sorry, I am a beginner looking to learn the game. Thanks for your help.

KEVIN

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 13.02.2008, 06:57

I don't know if there are any links (I'm fairly new here myself and haven't really began to explore all the forum threads yet) but I can tell you what I know. Below is partial list of the faxes from my office page. Your office page should look pretty much the same if you are in Realm 2, if you are in Realm 1, this explaination will still work but the faxes and offers will be different. The companies that posted them are in bold.

bigleather (info) 12.02.08 08:37
buy: -- cattal 65+2*q-- cotton 16+0.5*q-- leather 100+5*q-- texitile 100+0.5*q-- leather jacket 420+30*q----------power 0.05-- water 0.06--coin 82500
iduiggr (info) 12.02.08 06:31
buy~~: oil 29+1*q, plactis 53.5+1.5*q, E-comp 105+5*q, chemical 17+1*q, TV 1050+50*q, gold 67+1*q, golden watch 3050+50*q,---- power 0.05, coin 8500
Canadian Oils (info) 11.02.08 11:14
SELL: 500m2 Mine 7.5M On Market. *SELL* COINS 125K Each! *BUY* Steel 130C max 26K contract/Stones 10C. Check Showcase for Amounts. *SELL* COINS 125K
The Damned (info) 10.02.08 12:18
Congrats Dominance Inc. on Winning the last contest, and to Brady for 2nd place, VERY close 1st 1.276.834 2nd 1.253.822 mabye next time i will play!
DJs Inc (info) 10.02.08 10:29
BUY COTTON Q0+Q1 ONLY 12, CPU Q0+Q1 ONLY 220, E-COMP Q0+Q1 ONLY 110, PLASTIC Q0+Q1 ONLY 55, sell coins 95k in 10s or 100k each

Say your company was selling steel. If you look down a few entries you will see that Canadian Oils has this in his fax:

*BUY* Steel 130C max 26K contract/Stones 10C.

That means he is willing to buy steel at 130.00

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 13.02.2008, 07:43

you can also click on (info) by the company name (or the company name if you find it in the market)
on the page that pops up you have amongst others two options, message and send contract

message brings you to the send message screen and automaticly fills out what company it's for

send contract takes you to your warehouse and fills the company field in the bottom with the company name you are sending to

and a little correction on ursa logistics' post. i really doubt canadian oils will have any use of requiring all steel contract to have a value below 26000 kapis
however to make it below 26000 units of steel makes more sense, that's a value of 3380000
i can very well understand that he wants contracts to be smaller than that, as larger contracts would be difficult to collect the cash to pay

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 13.02.2008, 08:22

iskongen wrote:and a little correction on ursa logistics' post. i really doubt canadian oils will have any use of requiring all steel contract to have a value below 26000 kapis however to make it below 26000 units of steel makes more sense, that's a value of 3380000

iskongen has a very good point there. I hadn't considered that CarlR might be limiting the kilograms of steel rather than the price.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 14.02.2008, 04:05

Cool i got used as an Example

and Yes, iskongen is correct, the "26K max contract" means anything upto a maximum of 26K (26,000) steel, as it would be too difficult to afford anything more in one contract.

Also aside from that 1 slip up, very nice explanation Ursa Logistics

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 14.02.2008, 07:00

CarlR wrote:Also aside from that 1 slip up, very nice explanation Ursa Logistics

Thank you.

I guess I'm still new enough to this game and still small enough that I haven't realized just how much product some of the bigger companies require each day

. I saw the 26K and assumed it meant kapis instead of kilos.

As to getting contracts, the thing about sending notes to buyers is something I read about here but a technique I have also used in real life. That's one area where Kapilands seems to mimic real life almost exactly. Contacts (not contracts) are everthing. I'd even go so far as to suggest to Kevin(Gr8ferme) to make a list of every person he deals with in the game and make notes as to why he was dealing with them (sale, purchase, item, price, quantity, ect.) and keep it up to date. That way he gets an idea of who needs what and in what amounts and more importantly, it's really impressive if you can talk to someone days or weeks after they bought or sold something to you and you can recall the date, time, amount and product (by having it written down). Things like that tend to stick in peoples minds and they will remember you. It's rather hard to explain how it may benefit anyone but in the long run but it does pay off. Even if it's along the lines of someone saying something like, "Oh, you need cotton? Well I dealt with this really nice guy who runs XYZ Company and I know he has cotton for sale. I didn't buy cotton from him but he delivered the wood I asked for on time and at a good price."

I've come to the conclusion that a new player to the game (and that definitely includes me) is best served by finding a big company that is doing well and becoming a material supplier to thier industrial chains. At the size that you (Canadian Oils), Dominance Inc., MAAS and many others I could list, have achieved it becomes really difficult (from what I've seen) to manufacture everything you need for your final products using solely your own facilities. The big companies have to rely heavily on the smaller companies just to get enough materials to run thier industries everyday. That means good contracts for smaller companies that are reliable and I want a piece of that action (actually I have a very small piece of that action with one company already and I plan on making it a much bigger piece). But this pretty much relies on me knowing what you guys need and you guys knowing that I exist. And since I doubt you are going to come looking for me, I have to go looking for you.

That's where I think contracts and contacts are important, not only for the income but also so that you can get known and a reputation (good or bad depends on the person, I guess) and pretty soon people will start coming to you to see if you can help them or with joint ventures offers, cooperative research ect. (Although I don't know if things like cooperative research is even possible or allowed in this game, I haven't asked).

Boy, did I ramble on here or what?

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 14.02.2008, 17:41

nice information again, and infact it is suggested from me aswell to write down information within the Adress book of your Contacts.. for example i put down their Product, The Amount, QUaility, how Often, and any extra details that might be useful to remember. For Example, Using MAAS:

MAAS |Customer Germany| igm | info | del | contract
-4** 78K Oil, Q16 a day (Founder Company)...

In This example i have used all i described to deminstrate an effective way to keep track of a Companys order status. I have:
the amount,
Product Type (if you sell 1 product like me, this is not really needed)
Quaility: This is helpful if you sell items of different QUaility to multiple contracts.
How Often: Most Companys work Daily, but there are a few that work Weekly, or 2-3 time a week.
Extra Info: This is helpful for any extra things you may be doing or information to keep at hand, for My example, i have a Rewards Program for Oil Buyers, here i marked down that MAAS has a -4C DIscount, Also i have a (founder company) in there, meaning for me that he was with me since the beginning, reminding me of that fact and helps me prioratize importent companys from common ones. when you have 10+ companys you deal with, it is very handy to keep this Information in your adress Book.

Very good Point about Bigger Companys using Smaller Companys, and quite true... I do infact deppend on numerous smaller Steel Companys for Q0 Steel thats used in Construction Materials, although i never get anywhere close to the amount i need on a daily basis from contracts, this still helps the smaller companys grow, and perhaps somthing will come out of it in return... aswell, the Larger companys tend to not be as fussy on pricing a little higher for smaller companys to help them grow as a smaller company dealing with a similar sized company would be.

Also Cooperative Research is not Possible, at least not in the way i believe your thinking... Research is you own, you cant share it... only way to give someone research is to sell it to them, but then that put that particular research back to 0 for you.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 14.02.2008, 19:51

CarlR wrote:Also Cooperative Research is not Possible, at least not in the way i believe your thinking... Research is you own, you cant share it... only way to give someone research is to sell it to them, but then that put that particular research back to 0 for you.

Ah, that's to bad. I was hoping it was possible for two or three companies that had several research areas in common to each concentrate on one area and then sell the research to each other. Example: Company A researches Seed quality while company B researches Wood quality. Occasionally they sell each other their research for the same amount so that it turns out to be a zero sum trade. But if the research is reset to zero after the sale then that's not possible. Plus, the owners that run Kapilands may not want that sort of thing to take place anyway. They may consider it cheating so I wasn't too worried about asking about it until a later date since there is probably a good chance it wouldn't be allowed by the owners for that reason.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 14.02.2008, 20:42

hey, i got used as an example too

that kind of trade is what has been asked for from the mods, to pay eachother, but sum out to zero, instead of trading goods at 0 per contract
but as your research is set to 0 something like that isn't possible

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 14.02.2008, 20:49

CarlR wrote:... only way to give someone research is to sell it to them, but then that put that particular research back to 0 for you.

But what happened if I have 2 similar RC and sell only one?
Quality is dividet by 2 or not change?

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 14.02.2008, 21:07

It doesnt matter, you could have 5 RC's, doesnt mean you'd have 5 Copys of the product research... you only have 1 Actual product Research... if you sell that, you sell that products Entire Reserach progress and have to start over.

It's like selling your Blueprints to the perfect Product.. once gone, you no longer know how to make it, so you have to start again from scratch. (why our research team doesnt think about backups who knows... but thats how it works)

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 14.02.2008, 21:30

Thank you CarlR.

Next question about research

Do I need Cattle & Plant RC if I buy wood research from someone?
Or I can produce hight quality wood without Cattle & Plant RC?

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 14.02.2008, 22:30

i am unsure if you can still use Q research without the Building, but i think you can, so i would say it's worth a shot, although it would be more cost effective in the long run i belive to build the RC and research the Q's yourself on the side

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 14.02.2008, 22:55

CarlR wrote:Very good Point about Bigger Companys using Smaller Companys, and quite true...

yup and not only steel