[Feel free to close] Pig production - NOT FOR CONTEST

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 27.10.2009, 09:28

Horizons, I am known to give noogies, so hush. lol

Cheers

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 27.10.2009, 22:50

Andro wrote: Ah well. Looks like no one wants to touch the pig/cattle market due to 2 year old threads saying don't. The threads seems a tad bit outdated after having looked at R2 market (again, ignoring Pigs Q2).

What part of the thread is outdated?

The only thing that might have changed is it being even less profitable compared to then, so why would people start producing it now?

Production cost for pigs is around 150 each and market value hardly ever reaches that point.
Offer 100 each for pigs and you get flooded i bet.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 28.10.2009, 07:45

Ronintje wrote:
Andro wrote: Ah well. Looks like no one wants to touch the pig/cattle market due to 2 year old threads saying don't. The threads seems a tad bit outdated after having looked at R2 market (again, ignoring Pigs Q2).
What part of the thread is outdated?

The only thing that might have changed is it being even less profitable compared to then, so why would people start producing it now?

Production cost for pigs is around 150 each and market value hardly ever reaches that point.
Offer 100 each for pigs and you get flooded i bet.

Somewhere it said that most offers are below 100. Up until today there had barely been "large" offers on the market for less than 100 caps each. There is currently one of less than 200 pigs. It could be, like you said earlier, that it's a sale of failed quality, or possibly even a leftover that the person don't want to deal with (just bought a Q4 for less than 1c).

I started this thread to get a hint of whether or not I was on the right track with my calculation that a pigs total production cost would end up close to 150c (which includes the sale costs of power and water) or if that's too high. So far answers have been vague pointing at me being correct except for Opus. I am not going sell my pigs. It was a hypothetical question. But I would still like to know if my calc is correct since I apply the same formula to all my products.

...and I just realized you agreed with the ~150c cost. Thank you. All I wanted to hear.

Horizon, what you said is what I pointed out in a previous post, but I guess Opus didn't see that.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 28.10.2009, 09:01

Andro wrote:Somewhere it said that most offers are below 100. Up until today there had barely been "large" offers on the market for less than 100 caps each.

But I would still like to know if my calc is correct since I apply the same formula to all my products.

The reason there barely are large offers below 100 each might be the lack of people producing it.
Especially big guys prolly know better then procucing pigs and small producers hardly get the large amounts.

Maybe some people who really need pigs produce some high Q for their own use, but they never reach the market.

Your calculation is correct.
Ignore those who claim they produce all their products themselves and therefor they are producing less expensive.

Right now with the contest the corn prize is going crazy, but that will change within 2 weeks.

On R1 i would say a good calculation:
Corn: 30 x 4 = 120
Water:350 x 0.25 = 87.5
Production cost: 2.43

Thats a total of 210 each to produce pigs.
I'm using top value Q0 products in this calculation.
Corn might be 3 each, water 0.20 each to get a minimum value.
That one would be 150 each.
I however doubt you would get enough corn and water on R1 to produce this if you buy your materials, but for people who produce their own this one might be close to their market sales values.

If you put your water on the market at 0.25 it will get sold real fast and corn should be sold at 3.50 easily to.
Ofcourse, for corn you need big numbers cuz people hardly care about 10 corn Q3 or 15 corn Q5 on the market.

On R2 the value would be a bit lower.
Water might be worht 0.15 and corn 3.00 max, but still it would be close to the 150 each.

Just ignore those who start telling you they produce water in their own wells and corn in their own plantations and therefor manage to produce pigs at 25 each.
Most of them refuse to see the truth anyway.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 28.10.2009, 09:26

Ronintje wrote:

Just ignore those who start telling you they produce water in their own wells and corn in their own plantations and therefor manage to produce pigs at 25 each. Most of them refuse to see the truth anyway.

Your ad hominem is egregious and a bit callow dude, because I was using the calculations based on a what if premise. I am pretty sure you saw that and decided to put up the strawman argument from there.

And I did not say the pigs only cost 25 as your inferred in your last reply, stroking Andro's ego like a cat. My first comment was based on an erroneous piece of information I had, and I corrected it on the next reply.

This is last time I am coming to this thread. You obviously don't want to hear what I have to say and I've defended myself one too many times now over something that is trivial.

With that said, Oink.

Cheers!

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 28.10.2009, 10:27

Opus wrote:Ronintje wrote:

Just ignore those who start telling you they produce water in their own wells and corn in their own plantations and therefor manage to produce pigs at 25 each. Most of them refuse to see the truth anyway.
Your ad hominem is egregious and a bit callow dude, because I was using the calculations based on a what if premise. I am pretty sure you saw that and decided to put up the strawman argument from there.

And I did not say the pigs only cost 25 as your inferred in your last reply, stroking Andro's ego like a cat. My first comment was based on an erroneous piece of information I had, and I corrected it on the next reply.

This is last time I am coming to this thread. You obviously don't want to hear what I have to say and I've defended myself one too many times now over something that is trivial.

With that said, Oink.

Cheers!

Seriously... I have no idea why you're upset. And I certainly don't get where the "big ego" comes in. I asked a simple question to see if I am on the right track since I am not a business person and have limited maths interest/skills.

We ended up agreeing on the basic self production cost without profit, but after that ... you seemed to miss the profit part that's all.

I am not interested in being right or wrong. I am interested in improving my calcs if they are wrong.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 28.10.2009, 11:59

Opus wrote: Your ad hominem is egregious and a bit callow dude, because I was using the calculations based on a what if premise. I am pretty sure you saw that and decided to put up the strawman argument from there.

And I did not say the pigs only cost 25 as your inferred in your last reply, stroking Andro's ego like a cat. My first comment was based on an erroneous piece of information I had, and I corrected it on the next reply.

This is last time I am coming to this thread. You obviously don't want to hear what I have to say and I've defended myself one too many times now over something that is trivial.

With that said, Oink.

Cheers!

I have no clue what you have been talking about in this thread, so i didn't bother responding to you.
I guess my knowledge of the english language isn't nearly enough to understand the artistic words you use.

I'm sure anybody in here who has been reading my responses in the past will agree when i claim i have no problem adressing someone a lot more direct when i disagree.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 28.10.2009, 12:44

I'm sure anybody in here who has been reading my responses in the past will agree when i claim i have no problem adressing someone a lot more direct when i disagree.

Yep I can testify to that.