Seeds as a Product?

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 14.02.2007, 18:01

I've mentioned this a few times in other threads, but wanted to start a new one, to discuss the production of seeds as a crop. I know it sounds a little weak and lame... seeds? Can't he find a more lucrative product to sell? That's probably what you are asking yourself now.

Well, let's look at seeds as a potential cash crop, shall we?

On a E:4 40m farm:
Seeds-
Required: 1 Liter Water
Production costs: 0.01

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 14.02.2007, 18:31

Here we have a product you can produce at a rate of 3 units per second, costing you .01 to produce, and will yield 1400% profit at market. You are literally making .42 per second on seeds! That is 25.2 caps per minute in profit! That is 1512 caps per hour, and 36200 caps per day.

You forgot one thing. For one seed, you need one litre of water. If you buy this water for the current 0.1 on the market, one seed will cost you 0.11 which is a lot. I also think that the high water-price is partialy responsible for the good price of 0.15 per seed.
Even if you produce the water yourself the profit per hour will drasticly decrease.

I wouldn't say that seeds are a bad product, because they are on of the raw materials and therefore it exists a high demand. And they only use 1 material in production, which allows their quality to increase faster than other products. But they aren't as profitable as you point them out to be here.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 14.02.2007, 20:00

MagicMagor wrote:
Here we have a product you can produce at a rate of 3 units per second, costing you .01 to produce, and will yield 1400% profit at market. You are literally making .42 per second on seeds! That is 25.2 caps per minute in profit! That is 1512 caps per hour, and 36200 caps per day.
You forgot one thing. For one seed, you need one litre of water. If you buy this water for the current 0.1 on the market, one seed will cost you 0.11 which is a lot. I also think that the high water-price is partialy responsible for the good price of 0.15 per seed.
Even if you produce the water yourself the profit per hour will drasticly decrease.

I wouldn't say that seeds are a bad product, because they are on of the raw materials and therefore it exists a high demand. And they only use 1 material in production, which allows their quality to increase faster than other products. But they aren't as profitable as you point them out to be here.

Ooops! Yes, I did forget to include the price of water, didn't I?

Still, if you produce your own water at .02 and the seeds cost .01, you have a product that cost .03 to produce, and can be sold at 5x profit on the market. Lots of things might give you 5x profit, but none will cost you .03 to produce. My biggest point about seeds is the speed at which they can be produced. 3 units per second is pretty fast, and even at 400% profit, seem to be a fairly lucrative venture. From a profit/cost/time standpoint, I think seeds are an attractive product, certainly one that is often overlooked.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 15.02.2007, 00:08

You could do the same for power produced in Congo.XD And it will just cost you caps.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 15.02.2007, 01:57

In long run its still better to get a higher output place for water and power.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 15.02.2007, 01:58

This is true, .01 production cost, selling easy for 8x profit, and the units per hour are greater, you make a great point!

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 15.02.2007, 02:17

building a water plant and a power plant is a lot of capital to use to make one product useful.

You're better off just using that extra cash to expand the seed farm.

and .15 * 1,829 is only 274 kaps an hour.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 15.02.2007, 05:17

Good point about the 274 kaps per hour. I'mn not sure where the 3 per second comes from. That happens to be the production rate of water in a well in yellow with 2 employees, maybe that is where you got the number?

I think you can make the 0.15 per unit profit, but that requires having your own well for water. So in the end, you buy a well and a plantation and make 274 kaps per hour.

I went with the gas suggestion and it has worked out very well. I bought a well and a factory and a gas station and was able to make 2160 kaps per hour. Adding a power plant in green to reduce costs increased me to 2400 kaps per hour.

Both routes have lots of room for expansion into other products. I added a mine and have everything I need to make steel, plastic, chemicals. It is a nice base to start from.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 15.02.2007, 05:35

skyn wrote:In long run its still better to get a higher output place for water and power.

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If you meant that to my post above, I was saying that if Halee was after the .05 you can get from selling seeds (if you buy water at .10), it would be much more practical to get a powerplant in Congo(@20sqm), because its the same time as the seed, but just costs .01 caps and he could easily sell it for .08 caps earning .07 caps per power...

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 15.02.2007, 18:07

PolymerTim wrote:Good point about the 274 kaps per hour. I'mn not sure where the 3 per second comes from. That happens to be the production rate of water in a well in yellow with 2 employees, maybe that is where you got the number?.

Seeds q(0):
Production time: 0:0:1 h. per unit. per h. 1806.37

This was on a green plantation with 5 employees. 1800 per hour is 3 per minute, and I mistakingly said 3 per second. Yeah, I know, BIG difference!

Right now, water is a better product than seeds, as SP points out. However, I do think there will be a growing market for quality seeds as time goes by, and since seeds require nothing but water, it seems like a fairly cheap thing to produce, with a high profit potential if you produce enough of them.

My point, I suppose, was to give some thought to seeds as a product, and not completely overlook them. If I had a bevy of plantations and wanted to grow a product to sell at market, I might try sugar cane or cotton, apples or grapes, but I might not even consider seeds, because they are such a lowly product. However, looking at the potential profit margins, they aren't all that bad, and probably more marketable than many of the other things you can raise on a plantation. Try selling 10000 Corn and 10000 Seeds, and see which sells faster. Granted, 10000 Water might sell faster than either one, and you might make more profit selling other things, but for the cost/time/profit margin, seeds don't seem to unattractive to me, especially in higher qualities.

Don't take this wrong, I am not saying you should halt production on your other products and go into the seed business to make a fortune, just a thought for those who might be struggling to find a suitable product to sell, or something that is easy and cheap to produce, yet sells very well, very quickly, and at a fairly good profit on the market. Being it is a raw material, there will always be a high demand for seeds, so it is very secure as well.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 16.02.2007, 00:18

Halee-Burton wrote:Right now, water is a better product than seeds, as SP points out. However, I do think there will be a growing market for quality seeds as time goes by, and since seeds require nothing but water, it seems like a fairly cheap thing to produce, with a high profit potential if you produce enough of them.

XD I didn't mean water. I don't know if thats the price for water. I have a 20sqm powerplant in Congo, so the post I had above is for power, not water. ^^

I do produce seeds, but I only do because I need wood. I don't really sell anything much in the market, when I do its usually oil.XD ^^

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 16.02.2007, 03:21

the post I had above is for power, not water.
I meant power, don't know why I typed water.