well actually i comply agree with this, cause big companys do end line products, IE : Wardrobs its all the smaller company that need to make the seeds wood..... for them so they get money like that.
when i started, every time i asked they told me
New company stick to raw materials. This still applies, they get cash,
would make the game alot funner cause of fluctuations greater then just when a contest roles in.
im 100% for this idea. market factors will kept the prices in check cause well if u dont make a profit then why sell
price ban?
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WOOT a debate maybe?
like Ninjaraku LLC was saying in his post, i agree with him that the game's supply and demand is screwed up, but my opinion on this thread would be to change the punishment from a ban, to a simple suspension, of course not letting the player get away with it more then 2 or 3 times, then issue a permanent ban.
but i would have to say it would destroy the small companies and cripple there growth if a big company was selling wood for 20, where as a small company would try to build capital by doing a more logical price of around 65.
as far as personal company to company contracts go, to me you shouldn't be able to sell something for lower then 50% below market price, especially with raw materials.
if Jan got his/her way with this, then i think a lot of small companies would grind to a halt with there smaller production quantities.
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but i would have to say it would destroy the small companies and cripple there growth if a big company was selling wood for 20, where as a small company would try to build capital by doing a more logical price of around 65.
as far as personal company to company contracts go, to me you shouldn't be able to sell something for lower then 50% below market price, especially with raw materials.
if Jan got his/her way with this, then i think a lot of small companies would grind to a halt with there smaller production quantities.
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Personally I think if we sell it above production price then it should be ok... You are still making profit. For example if you produce wood which will cost you 10 caps then it should be ok to sell it at 11 caps since you are still making profits.
The issue I have is the fact that I cant give coins as a present. I want to give my friends coins but it wouldn't let me edit the company ID in paypal
I still buy coins from other companies and sometimes with real money because I can use it later on and I know the price will go up eventually. I really do wish I can buy coins for other company with my own money or at least send it as a gift since technically its not really something you can make.
I will say this once more. They should let us sell our products at above production price as long as we are still making profits no matter how small it is.
A little price war is healthy, competition is good for consumers...
To end this. I dont own this game and rules are rules no matter what we say its up to kapi management on how to run there "Game", But it is also up to us if we want to continue with this if we dont like it we can always go to another game (Non kapi game) and maybe we can find it better and more competitive.....
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The issue I have is the fact that I cant give coins as a present. I want to give my friends coins but it wouldn't let me edit the company ID in paypal
I still buy coins from other companies and sometimes with real money because I can use it later on and I know the price will go up eventually. I really do wish I can buy coins for other company with my own money or at least send it as a gift since technically its not really something you can make.
I will say this once more. They should let us sell our products at above production price as long as we are still making profits no matter how small it is.
A little price war is healthy, competition is good for consumers...
To end this. I dont own this game and rules are rules no matter what we say its up to kapi management on how to run there "Game", But it is also up to us if we want to continue with this if we dont like it we can always go to another game (Non kapi game) and maybe we can find it better and more competitive.....
Regards
Zandoria Inc
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Cheater are offcourse the reason for setting up rules like this, but it don't really work (just like IRL).
Instead you have to look at patterns like:
- Buildings sold between the same companies then resold and the profitt allways ending up into the same company.
- Large blocks off products sold and resold between companies.
and other sceams where you have a limited amount off companies moving profitt into a single account.
What's importen is that really no singel trade should be the source for banning and there should allways be a warning before a ban is activated.
The problems are that there are no set off rules and no automatic function that can protect against anybody that want to cheat. You can use programs to find possible cheaters, but it must be avaluated by people and a pattern over time has to be present before a warning is stated or a ban (after warning) is activated.
Instead off banning, penalties could be used for all but the most obvious cheaters.
Instead you have to look at patterns like:
- Buildings sold between the same companies then resold and the profitt allways ending up into the same company.
- Large blocks off products sold and resold between companies.
and other sceams where you have a limited amount off companies moving profitt into a single account.
What's importen is that really no singel trade should be the source for banning and there should allways be a warning before a ban is activated.
The problems are that there are no set off rules and no automatic function that can protect against anybody that want to cheat. You can use programs to find possible cheaters, but it must be avaluated by people and a pattern over time has to be present before a warning is stated or a ban (after warning) is activated.
Instead off banning, penalties could be used for all but the most obvious cheaters.
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thtas a very good idea !
just sell aslong as you make profit, or no profit..who cares..never heard of a EMPTYING WAREHOUSE SALE!! EVERYTHING FOR A DOLLAR!!
and..penalties are good, if theyre big.
like removing the buildings and money from acounts and giving em 500.000 to get a new building running..be mean, be cruel, be real.
as zandoria said, concurrention is good for the customer.
i dont know if someone here is from the 70's, but every big car was a mercedes S-klass, UNTIL BMW came in the 70's with their 7 series, they snapped off 40% of the S-klass sales! bwam!
what happened? the next generation S-klasss was way better and more luxury, all because BMW made a similar car way more luxury for around the same price. concurrention lead to a seatheater in the S-klass. (just an example)
so..concurrention all the way!
just sell aslong as you make profit, or no profit..who cares..never heard of a EMPTYING WAREHOUSE SALE!! EVERYTHING FOR A DOLLAR!!
and..penalties are good, if theyre big.
like removing the buildings and money from acounts and giving em 500.000 to get a new building running..be mean, be cruel, be real.
as zandoria said, concurrention is good for the customer.
i dont know if someone here is from the 70's, but every big car was a mercedes S-klass, UNTIL BMW came in the 70's with their 7 series, they snapped off 40% of the S-klass sales! bwam!
what happened? the next generation S-klasss was way better and more luxury, all because BMW made a similar car way more luxury for around the same price. concurrention lead to a seatheater in the S-klass. (just an example)
so..concurrention all the way!
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Erm... You should look for the tutorials of "knolls" in this forum...batangwaray1 wrote:Personally I think if we sell it above production price then it should be ok... You are still making profit. For example if you produce wood which will cost you 10 caps then it should be ok to sell it at 11 caps since you are still making profits.
This way you are NOT making profits! Know why? You are not getting unlimited free construction materials, are you? Thats one reason why you should NEVER consider a price over the price shown in the warehouse as being profitable...
Anyway, in my time playing here I have only had business contacts to a handful (IF that) of huge players offering fair prices - the rest tried to pay as least as possible, and jan, you might remember me.
With there rules (even if they are dodgy) upjers is doing what many governments in the real life are not able to do: set up a framework where constant economic growth is possible...
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No, you will certainly not be able to convince him.
Because you are not the first one thinking of this, jan1666. There have been dozens of people suggesting this. Your idea is everything else but new or individual.
If that would help it would have already been turned into reality.
But as you can see that there are these rules to guarantee a somehow fair game you can also imagine that there is no alternative.
upjers has tested several types of rules during their browser games-career. And it became obvious that only the kind of rules we have right now work.
So - you can discuss on this point if you want.
But please do not expect any changes with the rules, okay?
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fail to the mods
listen to the people or loose people is what i always say
so..goldeneye, mister sniffer, explain me the rules?
how much can i be off the market price? and what is the market price?
we just accept some market prices, but what is the real price? the lowest? the middle? the highest? the price what the stats section gives?
BE SPECIFIC!
listen to the people or loose people is what i always say
so..goldeneye, mister sniffer, explain me the rules?
how much can i be off the market price? and what is the market price?
we just accept some market prices, but what is the real price? the lowest? the middle? the highest? the price what the stats section gives?
BE SPECIFIC!
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comeon.
those are the rules.
stop nagging.
if you are at school, you cant change your mark on an exam just because everyone wants so.
and if you are at work, you cant tell your boss to increase your monthly income or double it just because you want to.
so stop nagging, those are the rules, you cant change them.
and, Jan, about calling golden eye mister sniffer, imagine the forum without golden eye, it would be up and down and everything not be in its place.
THE RULES WONT CHANGE.
so stop
those are the rules.
stop nagging.
if you are at school, you cant change your mark on an exam just because everyone wants so.
and if you are at work, you cant tell your boss to increase your monthly income or double it just because you want to.
so stop nagging, those are the rules, you cant change them.
and, Jan, about calling golden eye mister sniffer, imagine the forum without golden eye, it would be up and down and everything not be in its place.
THE RULES WONT CHANGE.
so stop
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1. The Mods have nothing to do with the rules. Rules where created by Upjers.
2. GoldenEye cannot change the rules. He doesn't even get paid.
3. I agree with GoldenEye. The rules are in place to keep this game fair and help prevent cheaters.
4. There isn't a set amount of % that you can sell above or bellow. Why? Just think of the contest. The price of a product when it becomes a contest products goes sky high. Yet, it is legal to sell for extremely high prices.
My rule of thumb.
Don't sell for less than the true cost to produce. (Market value for each of the products required to make the final product.)
Don't sell higher or lower than 20% of the average market price.
2. GoldenEye cannot change the rules. He doesn't even get paid.
3. I agree with GoldenEye. The rules are in place to keep this game fair and help prevent cheaters.
4. There isn't a set amount of % that you can sell above or bellow. Why? Just think of the contest. The price of a product when it becomes a contest products goes sky high. Yet, it is legal to sell for extremely high prices.
My rule of thumb.
Don't sell for less than the true cost to produce. (Market value for each of the products required to make the final product.)
Don't sell higher or lower than 20% of the average market price.