Penalize untrustworthy players!

[Guest]

My ideal remedy would be a ebay/slashdot type system.

Any time you deal with a contract offer you get the opportunity to rate the transaction. Good(+1) Neutral(0) Bad(-1) Or a 5 point, etc...

The system attaches this value to a number associated with your company, just like your money.

Then anytime you click a company name their total rating, and number of contracts is shown.

Another add-on possibility to this ideal is leaving actual comments of buyers/sellers in the user's profile (takes up more space)

Implementing this type of system would reward those of us savvy enough to research our trading partners before initiating a contract, while providing recourse if you were burned.

So on signing you would get:

Please rate your recent transaction with {Capital Power Investments}
[ ]-2 (Horrible/Defaulted) [ ]-1 (Bad) [ ]0 (Indifferent) [ ]+1 (Good) [ ]+2 (Excellent)


And on viewing a user:
Company: Capital Power Investments
Head office: Mauritania

Cash: 230,359,827.13
Fixed assets: 128,343,750.00
Score: 0.00

Total Customer Transactions: 176
Customer Satisfaction: 96%
Stats: -2(6) -1(1) 0(10) +1(103) +2(56)

Last login: 9.06.08

[Guest]

i lik this idea that CapitalPowerInvestments has made it could eve be a new thing aded to the "toplists" on the stats page

[Guest]

My ideal remedy would be a ebay/slashdot type system.

Any time you deal with a contract offer you get the opportunity to rate the transaction. Good(+1) Neutral(0) Bad(-1) Or a 5 point, etc...

The system attaches this value to a number associated with your company, just like your money.

Then anytime you click a company name their total rating, and number of contracts is shown.

Another add-on possibility to this ideal is leaving actual comments of buyers/sellers in the user's profile (takes up more space)

Implementing this type of system would reward those of us savvy enough to research our trading partners before initiating a contract, while providing recourse if you were burned.

So on signing you would get:

Please rate your recent transaction with {Capital Power Investments}
[ ]-2 (Horrible/Defaulted) [ ]-1 (Bad) [ ]0 (Indifferent) [ ]+1 (Good) [ ]+2 (Excellent)


And on viewing a user:
Company: Capital Power Investments
Head office: Mauritania

Cash: 230,359,827.13
Fixed assets: 128,343,750.00
Score: 0.00

Total Customer Transactions: 176
Customer Satisfaction: 96%
Stats: -2(6) -1(1) 0(10) +1(103) +2(56)

Last login: 9.06.08

Yet eBay deals with real money and real items, thats why they have a feedback system.

[Guest]

this is quite effective i think
never thought of that before
this system would really help

[Guest]

That would be so easy to abuse. Get a friend to send you hundreds of contracts worth a couple cents or vice-versa. Theres no way the mods are going to spend extra time trying to patrol a feedback system. There are many more and important things that could be implemented into the game.

[Guest]

That would be so easy to abuse. Get a friend to send you hundreds of contracts worth a couple cents or vice-versa. Theres no way the mods are going to spend extra time trying to patrol a feedback system. There are many more and important things that could be implemented into the game.

Sorry if you took offense to my ideal. I was by no means saying it is the one and only solution to the problem. I simply read the original posters complaint about contract abuse, thought of a possible solution and wanted to share it with the community

Re:Ebay deals with real money.
I thought the point of Kapilands was to simulate dealing with real money.

Re:Mods never deal with...
The easy way around your issue there would be to limit the feedback rating to one per partner. Have a "retract feedback" for the person giving it. That way if he/she is burned in a future transaction they can retract their +1, and give a -1 instead. AND to deal with the fake/cheater accounts, once their account has been deleted, their feedback is no longer counted. Most of the cheaters just pump and dump companies to their main one. Would solve both problems.

Again as I said I am not trying to "sell" this as the ideal solution. When offered with valid criticisms I will however offer a logical rebuttal(if possible). [/b]

[Guest]

Advanced Electrics: can you pls stop saboting this good topic? It is very good idea and at least we will be able to see who is good trading partner and who is horrible.

...and stop arguing in your wach 2nd post woth black market (ehm pardon... with eBay). Most famous black market on Earth. You had to pay always, but you can be never sure what you will get in return (2 left shoes, box of nothing, aso). It can be called luck if you get exactly what you "ordered".




CapitalPowerInvestments: rating system as you described is good. Also there could be add one more stat. because large part of companys are "only" customers. I mean they are not sending contracts fuhrer abd therefore no1 could vote for/against them. Rating from contracts can be one and overal rating can be second:


Total Customer Transactions: 176
Customer Satisfaction: 96%
Stats: -2(6) -1(1) 0(10) +1(103) +2(56)
Player Satisfaction: 100%
Stats: -2(0) -1(1) 0(0) +1(1) +2(0)

[Guest]

the problem with public rating is that everyone can rate and if someone decides to destroy someone else he gets people to help him rate. bad proposal.

[Guest]

the problem with public rating is that everyone can rate and if someone decides to destroy someone else he gets people to help him rate. bad proposal.

well if its customers only it would seem better and there could be a small system in place that looks if more than 5contracts are signed byt eh same person from the saem person on 1 day then the account is reffered to the admins anmd they can see any problems.

i would love this but if it was implementsed then i would want a mail with every contract acception mail of what that person rated me

and if that was implemented then people like CMB/myself and the damned etc would have even more work to do clicking contracts and then marking them... :S

so i like the idea but you might wanna change it a bit

[Guest]

i am not sure
but I think in order to rate someone, he must have been trading with that person in order to do it

people with no business relations cannot rate them

[Guest]

Therefore 2 ratings.
First most important busines rating, so you can see what company you are going to "have" for a partner.
..and another rating personality/charisma or call it whatever you like will show how this person react in post or in forum.

In first rating you must he supplyer or customer to rate company.
Second rating can rate everyone to everyone.

[Guest]

Therefore 2 ratings.
First most important busines rating, so you can see what company you are going to "have" for a partner.
..and another rating personality/charisma or call it whatever you like will show how this person react in post or in forum.

In first rating you must he supplyer or customer to rate company.
Second rating can rate everyone to everyone.

I like the sound of that its a "Business" rating and a "Social" rating

[martinng]

Like the idea but say this happens:

Im agreeing with company X to buy X amount of power off them daily for 0.15 caps.

After 1week of purchasing X amount of power from company X @0.15 i see the market has changed and dropped to 0.09 on average. Therefore i send a mail to company X telling him of the change and that i wish to purchase X amount of power at a lower price and he ignores the mail and continues to send contracts@0.15 yet i reject them-in favour of buying off the market-would i be penilized? we've agreed but circumstances have changed the market changes so this wont be possible tbh

FelixBluIndustries

Felix, unfortunately you are not allowed to change the contract according to real business law, unless both parties allow that.

So, I would suggest to add Expiry Date to contract. Let say X will provide you X amount of power at 0.15 for 6 months or you both to decide. Within this 6 months, no one can change it unless both agree to change.
Settle the contract problem.

This will be fair to both party. Purchasing 0.15 while you can get 0.09 from market is abit insane, but that is business contract, try to think from supplier X point of view, if he is forced to accept your change or will go into top10 bad list, will this fair to him?

Every contract got expiry date, within that date, dont blame if you could have bought cheaper or sold higher, just follow untiil it expired. So we must be smart enough to consider the contact expiry date too.

Anyway, I am a real businessman in this real world, so i will try to use real business law to give opinions. If anyone think it is just a game , then forget what i have said.


regards,
Martin








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[Guest]

Yes technically Martin a well-written contract has all of that spelled out from the start. Which is why lawyers actually have a purpose.

However, many (most?) contracts are "terminable at will", which is exactly what Felix is describing. Two companies can trade power at 0.15 as long as that works for both. If the price changes, they can:

A) continue at 0.15
B) agree on a new price and continue trading
C) fail to agree and walk away.

all 3 are perfectly valid and as long as the two are communicating clearly, there's nothing dishonest about any of it.

[Guest]

Thats the reason i posted that as thats a rather large flaw in this idea. So if this did come into play i doubt anyone would set the date larger than a week as at tis time power prices are crazy! making everything else ratehr mad.

And another point at the moment im always expanding my factories/buying new ones. Therefore i make more gas daily. I sell this gas to the same person but the amount always increases! so wouldnt that be a bit hard to impliment? If the supply always changed