Improve other economies :)

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I am about to start producing coffee powder, making everything myself and see if I can make a profitable business. I will hopefully post back and tell yous if it is possible and maybe this will be the start of the Great Diversification Of Kapilands

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There is a simple answer, price cap. All items have a price cap on the Stats page. Food, for example, usually prices out around 24 to 40c compared to cars which have a price cap of 150,000c. (You can still sell for higher prices than the price cap but times slows down.)

Shoes will never make money in stores. Why? The price cap for shoes is 600c. They require 0.5 leather, 1 textile and 300 power plus the production cost. That is over 700c when using the market prices.

I think it's a shame that most people automatically base production cost on market value. It is still possible to keep your own chain which makes the production cost lower. Shoes looks like a relatively easy product to produce with your own chain.
So I don't see the problem if someone wants to retail shoes.

Exactly my point, why not try and imoprove this economies by helping in raising prices? Help small companies grow into them and they would have a better economy. NPC products cannot be improved since they have a stable price, but why not improve food industry, fruit industry, car indsutry???? This is why I made this topic, to start helping other industries as well.

I am producing sausages simply because I think it's fun and because people keep yelling to stay away from it (cattle, food etc). I do not want to be another furniture/wardrobe producer. There are enough of those around. We don't need more. So I do sausages.

well then why doesn't someone pick a product with low supply and try and raise the price. See if you can raise the price so there is a viable business and report back.

I am doing just that. Oman, Sausages. I seem to rule the quality.

Oct 23d Q1,96 12,25c average
Nov 13th Q2,99 13,80c average.

I set my fixed price to 15c for Q3. Slow and steady increase during the timespan.

Turkey Sausages Q3
Oct 23d Q12,79 1,72c average
Nov 13th Q3 15,40c average

Fixed price 17,00c Q3. Slow and steady increase.

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I think it's a shame that most people automatically base production cost on market value. It is still possible to keep your own chain which makes the production cost lower. Shoes looks like a relatively easy product to produce with your own chain.
So I don't see the problem if someone wants to retail shoes.

The problem with your suggestion is the fact you are cheating yourself out of a profit.

You can sell a product A at the market at 100c each.
Instead of doing that you add another 100c worth of products B, C and D and production costs each and also a building to produce product X that can be sold at 50c each.

Nobody is telling you you aren't allowed to do it, but come on...do you really claim it makes any sence to do that?
Not only doesn't it give you any additional profit, it even costs money to do so.
This is considered cheating yourself out of a profit.

Ofcourse, the cost to produce all products A, B, C and D can be below the 50c, but you need 4 buildings to produce them and a 5th to produce product X just to earn less money then the products A, B, C and D would have made you when sold on the market.

I am producing sausages simply because I think it's fun and because people keep yelling to stay away from it (cattle, food etc). I do not want to be another furniture/wardrobe producer. There are enough of those around. We don't need more. So I do sausages.

Good choice, you think it is more fun to do this so you do it and enjoy yourself.
Nothing wrong with that.

But there are some questions.
Do you produce your own pigs?
It costs 145 each to produce them, but you can buy them at the market at 100 each regularly.
Would you rather produce them then buy them on the market?


When people ask which is the most profitable business sadly there is only a limited amount of answers, but that doesn't make them wrong.
Its a fact that those business are the best, just because you can make the best daily profit producing those things.
There are several productions which allow to make a profit to, like the meat industry you are referring to, but the profits just are a lot less.

In order to make a similar profit on animal food i need to sell at 400 each.
However when i sell in a grocery it is impossible to sell at 10% of that value.
That is what people who claim wardrobes is the best are referring to.

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I am about to start producing coffee powder, making everything myself and see if I can make a profitable business. I will hopefully post back and tell yous if it is possible and maybe this will be the start of the Great Diversification Of Kapilands

Lets see coffee powder:

Coffee Beans: 1 seed, 15 water.
1 x 0.25
15x 0.25
production: 1.35
Total: 5.35 each.

Coffee powder:
1.5 x 4.00 (beans) = 8.03
100x 0.25 (power) = 25.00
production: 3.60
Total: 36.63 each.

Currently on R1 it is sold at 24 each in Germany.

So you lose 12 each.
So you need a Plantation, a Food factory and a Grocery to allow you to make a loss of 12 each.

Yep, very profitable business.

Ah right, but you will produce the water and the power yourself ofcourse, just like any smart businessman.

1 power = 0.01 c
1 water = 0.1 power + 0.02
1 seed = 1 water + 0.02c

Beans:
1 seeds and 15 water.
So you need 16 water total.
16 water = 1.6 power and 0.32c
1 seed = 0.02c
1.6 power = 0.02c
Production cost: 1.35 ea
Total: 1.71 each coffee bean.


Coffee Powder:
1.5 beans = 1.5x 1.71 = 2.57
100 power = 100x 0.01 = 1.00
Production cost: 3.60
Total: 7.17 each coffee powder.



Lovely, now you suddenly make a 17 each profit instead of a 12 each loss.

And you only need 1 Powerplant, 1 Well, 1 Plantation, 1 Food Factory and 1 Grocery to achieve it....
Or you could have skipped the last 3 and made a 29 each profit on selling the water and the power to the market.....but ofcourse, that would be a silly idea, no smart businessman would want to make twice as much profit with less then half the buildings
Silly me

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I am about to start producing coffee powder, making everything myself and see if I can make a profitable business. I will hopefully post back and tell yous if it is possible and maybe this will be the start of the Great Diversification Of Kapilands

Lets see coffee powder:

Coffee Beans: 1 seed, 15 water.
1 x 0.25
15x 0.25
production: 1.35
Total: 5.35 each.

Coffee powder:
1.5 x 4.00 (beans) = 8.03
100x 0.25 (power) = 25.00
production: 3.60
Total: 36.63 each.

Currently on R1 it is sold at 24 each in Germany.

So you lose 12 each.
So you need a Plantation, a Food factory and a Grocery to allow you to make a loss of 12 each.

Yep, very profitable business.

Ah right, but you will produce the water and the power yourself ofcourse, just like any smart businessman.

1 power = 0.01 c
1 water = 0.1 power + 0.02
1 seed = 1 water + 0.02c

Beans:
1 seeds and 15 water.
So you need 16 water total.
16 water = 1.6 power and 0.32c
1 seed = 0.02c
1.6 power = 0.02c
Production cost: 1.35 ea
Total: 1.71 each coffee bean.


Coffee Powder:
1.5 beans = 1.5x 1.71 = 2.57
100 power = 100x 0.01 = 1.00
Production cost: 3.60
Total: 7.17 each coffee powder.



Lovely, now you suddenly make a 17 each profit instead of a 12 each loss.

And you only need 1 Powerplant, 1 Well, 1 Plantation, 1 Food Factory and 1 Grocery to achieve it....
Or you could have skipped the last 3 and made a 29 each profit on selling the water and the power to the market.....but ofcourse, that would be a silly idea, no smart businessman would want to make twice as much profit with less then half the buildings
Silly me

Well i hope to increase the price, thus make it profitable. Also it will probably be fun because I used to produce water an power like you mentioned but it was as boring as watching paint dry. My efforts actually might make it a profitable business venture. Eventually it might be more profitable than some other goods, and encourage diversification and make more companies go into other than the established products, like what this thread is about.

A good businessman can make money were others cant.

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Eventually it might be more profitable than some other goods, and encourage diversification and make more companies go into other than the established products, like what this thread is about.

Ah well, despite people who know what they are talking about explained (why) that isn't possible you expect it to succeed.

This is exactly why this thread is such a scam, it makes people try out things that won't succeed anyway.

A good businessman can make money were others cant.

Even a good businessman can't make money where nobody can.

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Ronintje, I have already been in a discussion about the production of pigs and I am not going to do that again. I am well aware of the entire production cost of the sausage chain - pigs included. I have read the help section over and over and I am not cheating myself. I deliberately left out details about my production to avoid going off topic and have people bring up what you just did.

Regards to this topic, I picked a non-retailed product simply because most people continue to deem it wrong. The reason why it's "wrong" is because no one touches it, therefore it is more difficult. But isn't that what this game is about. Trying out things, fail, tweak, find what feels best and finally succeed?

So for those who would like to affect the market, Retail or actual Market, go ahead. I like what I do and everyone else should to.

Paranthesis... I have just opened up a candy store in R1 Germany. Looking at the stats no one seems to sell candy in Germany. But I will. *shrugs*

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Ronintje, I have already been in a discussion about the production of pigs and I am not going to do that again. I am well aware of the entire production cost of the sausage chain - pigs included. I have read the help section over and over and I am not cheating myself. I deliberately left out details about my production to avoid going off topic and have people bring up what you just did.

Nice....

Aren't Pigs part of the Sausage chain anymore??


Its ofcourse very nice to talk about producing a chain when you convieniently leave out parts of the chain


So, there now are 2 options.
First option: you produce pigs and in fact make a loss on that production.
Second option: you don't produce pigs and leach on the loss of others.

If you want to promote other chains every part of the chain has to be equally profitable.


Ofcourse Butchers have nice profit, but due to the low production/hour the daily profit/building ends up being terrible despite leaving out the resources in the chain.

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Ronintje, I have already been in a discussion about the production of pigs and I am not going to do that again. I am well aware of the entire production cost of the sausage chain - pigs included. I have read the help section over and over and I am not cheating myself. I deliberately left out details about my production to avoid going off topic and have people bring up what you just did.

Nice....
Aren't Pigs part of the Sausage chain anymore??
Its ofcourse very nice to talk about producing a chain when you convieniently leave out parts of the chain

Can you read at all?

I deliberately left out details about my production to avoid going off topic and have people bring up what you just did.

Where did I write I leave out production of something?! I left out DETAILS ABOUT WHAT I DO to avoid people like you bashing other people for what they do without trying it themselves. I am fully aware of what I am doing.

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Ronintje is just trying to make himself feel big. Just ignore him.

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Ronintje, I have already been in a discussion about the production of pigs and I am not going to do that again. I am well aware of the entire production cost of the sausage chain - pigs included. I have read the help section over and over and I am not cheating myself. I deliberately left out details about my production to avoid going off topic and have people bring up what you just did.

Nice....
Aren't Pigs part of the Sausage chain anymore??
Its ofcourse very nice to talk about producing a chain when you convieniently leave out parts of the chain

Can you read at all?

I deliberately left out details about my production to avoid going off topic and have people bring up what you just did.

Where did I write I leave out production of something?! I left out DETAILS ABOUT WHAT I DO to avoid people like you bashing other people for what they do without trying it themselves. I am fully aware of what I am doing.

So you don't want to go into details cuz you know you will lose on that point?
If you don't even dare to speak out the truth, why do you want to trick people into making the same mistake??

Now that is a scam

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Ronintje is just trying to make himself feel big. Just ignore him.

Yep, if you can't beat someone with facts just start ignoring.

Same level as cheating yourself out of a profit, just ignore the truth and you get the feeling you made a profit.

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You are trying to make yourself big but you are dull and boring. Ronintje we are doing something more than just following the crowd by not going into the established markets. Wardrobes and Gas probably were small once.

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You are trying to make yourself big but you are dull and boring. Ronintje we are doing something more than just following the crowd by not going into the established markets. Wardrobes and Gas probably were small once.

Not really, some wanker suggested people should do it and you decided to follow despite people posting proof it isn't the smart thing to do.
And instead of proving them wrong you ignore their facts and claim you want to find out something that just isn't gonna happen.

Now who is the lemming??


Come on, you are so determined you are right....can't be to difficult to post some facts proving me wrong if you are...
But instead you start telling people to ignore me cuz i "want to feel big"...

Sounds a lot like kindergarten

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Ronintje, why are you such a grumpy old man?