Kapi as it stands - A critical view

[Guest]

Too many of wardrobe producers sell wardrobe for too low of price and don't understand how to get the best profits for their own sake

So will this happen to all the products as time goes by? I saw it happen in the leather jacket markets and now it's happening in the wardrobe markets. If these cut throat traders do it to the T.V. markets I will have to give T.V. manufacturing away and just focus on steel.

The T.V. market has a long way to go but T.V.'s take a lot of required products (plastic, oil, chemicals, minerals, glass, quartz, silicon, water and power,,, did I miss any?), so if the profit margins get reduced then it wont be worth making T.V's. May as well sell high quality oil/plastic, minerals/chemicals, oh and e-components.

[Guest]

Too many of wardrobe producers sell wardrobe for too low of price and don't understand how to get the best profits for their own sake

I think its mainly becuase small first time wardrobe builders like me (200 a day at max) don't have the finances for:

* Furniture Store
* Advertisements
* Expansion cost

I'm going to try though.

[Guest]

Too many of wardrobe producers sell wardrobe for too low of price and don't understand how to get the best profits for their own sake

I think its mainly becuase small first time wardrobe builders like me (200 a day at max) don't have the finances for:

* Furniture Store
* Advertisements
* Expansion cost

I'm going to try though.

If you don't have money for stores, its too early for wardrobes to you. Only my opinion

[Guest]

With high research levels you can generate decent profit with B2B sale only. As said with own store or without them you should wait until you have proper research - otherwise you will lose money in your joinieries.

With own stores you are independent from the changing moods of major offtakers. But again - if you set your price too low you will never have enough cash for expansion at proper speed.

[Guest]

If you sell in your own store you can make money at lower qualities by setting the price high. I make money on Q4 wardrobes that way (yes, after accounting for the opportunity cost - I'd make money even if I bought my wood on the market). Your store has to be *much* larger than your joinery though.

What I want to know is - what's driving the price of wood so high? Yes, I can make money in wardrobes - but no more than in several other businesses I've dabbled in, and far less than with wood. Who's shelling out the big bucks for joineries and furniture stores at these prices? And they're shelling out *now*, it seems, because my furniture margins keep falling. I had thought that my profits would go up if I could get my quality up to 10 or so that's the market average, but some of the comments here indicate that's not going to help so much.

[Guest]

If you sell in your own store you can make money at lower qualities by setting the price high. I make money on Q4 wardrobes that way (yes, after accounting for the opportunity cost - I'd make money even if I bought my wood on the market). Your store has to be *much* larger than your joinery though.

This is exactly where i am at. My furniture store is 150m2 and my joinery is only 20m2. i started selling Q3 wardrobes and sold them for much more than the avg price even though my quality was several points lower. i'm now up to Q6 and the only reason i havent expanded my wardrobe production about 5 fold is that i am building the necessary infrastructure to produce alot more Q0 steel for expansion.

Before too long i will be expanding both joinery and store rapidly. This game encompasses so much change i cen't help but stay addicted.[/code]

[Guest]

First things first, i make wood but has been doing oher stuff lately. I make 600k q13 wood per day easy but have not expanded any plantations for a month now.

So i know what i am talking about.

I know for fact that wood prices do not increase easily because there are many wood sellers and most newbys that comes into the game starts building some plantations

I have realized that the suddent wood spike is a move by some major furniture companys to cut off the amount of wardrobe flow coming to them. This also will help them kill off and discourage future competition.

By fact, there is ample wood supply in the market. But due to the wood prices not every one can get access to it. I have a q 24 wardrobe research but have calculated that i make more cash selling wood than going into furniture.

This brings to point the usefullness ofescape route. I have major researches for seed, wood, wardrobe and looking for a table research.
This will secure me that in the event that one day my seed supplier stops sending me seeds i will not be begging on the street or if the wood prices takes a plunge, i will not be buring my wood to keep me warm since i have wardrobe and table researches.

So in conculsion i would like to conculde; for all those end market junkies making TVs and Wardrobes ect., please make sure you have a escape route and don end up depending too much on ther people who can easily mess up your daily income.
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I am in office, and since its friday i have no mood to do anywork

- i am looking to fill 10 stores with 400 000 adpoints today; if you are intrested please send me a draft of how much per add point you will sell and when i can get 400k ad points from you. i will obvioulsy base my selection on speed of delievery, but price has to be reasonable.


- i am also looking for a good table research. i will pay excellent prices.
- i am also looking for furniture stores. if you have 1 bigger than 100 i am intrested pls contact me


ok i love u all hugs and kisses

gota do work so that i can buy me a brand new laptop.

[Guest]

How can the biggies be cutting people out of the wood market? If they actually use what they buy then there's a real shortage. If they don't, then they're wasting a lot of money on stockpiles that won't do them much good since the research for wardrobes isn't going to go away and the joineries and stores to do wardrobes are relatively easy to build.

Besides, based on the abrupt appearance of very high quality cars on the market, one of the biggies is bailing out or at least diversifying.

[Guest]

If they actually use what they buy then there's a real shortage. If they don't, then they're wasting a lot of money on stockpiles that won't do them much good since the research for wardrobes isn't going to go away and the joineries and stores to do wardrobes are relatively easy to build.

-for one if a prominent big player decides to buy wood at 53 each and posts in fax, every wod seller will start selling to him for a short time. This causes shortage for the rest of the big companies and thus they have to increase their prices and when this does happen, the overall market prices rise. It does not mean that when wood prices increase, you stop using wood?

for example last night i had to buy off all the q0 and q1 wood from the market and even after that i had a shortage if wood.

[Guest]

If they actually use what they buy then there's a real shortage. If they don't, then they're wasting a lot of money on stockpiles that won't do them much good since the research for wardrobes isn't going to go away and the joineries and stores to do wardrobes are relatively easy to build.

-for one if a prominent big player decides to buy wood at 53 each and posts in fax, every wod seller will start selling to him for a short time. This causes shortage for the rest of the big companies and thus they have to increase their prices and when this does happen, the overall market prices rise. It does not mean that when wood prices increase, you stop using wood?

If one guy did that, there would be a brief rise in wood prices - followed by a drop as he wouldn't buy wood for days or weeks while he worked off his excess. Wood that's made will end up somewhere. If that somewhere is in stockpiles then the price will come back down before too long as the stockpiles get worked off. Since we see the price of wood going up and up we know that something besides the occaisional hi-price offer is driving it up.

[Guest]

-for one if a prominent big player decides to buy wood at 53 each and posts in fax, every wod seller will start selling to him for a short time. This causes shortage for the rest of the big companies and thus they have to increase their prices and when this does happen, the overall market prices rise. It does not mean that when wood prices increase, you stop using wood?

No, it means you start procuding it. When that one company tried to raie water prices from .08 to .15+ (which he did), I went from buying all my water for fruits to making my own water. That guy was cruel, thats .70 more per fruit cost. Thats big in the fruit market ... too big.

And no. Its not the Big Managers who are hurt. Its the little people, the people who count every .01 in the decimal amount. Any flucuation could be rags or riches. Its the big people who play around with the little people. Buying finished products like Computers, Wardrobes, Jackets at a price they can easily turn around and make a nice profit on.

The rich get richer and the poor get poorer.

[Guest]

The rise in wood prices has definitely hurt the furniture market some what. I've moved from wardrobes into tables. With wardrobes you need to sell them for at least 2000 in your shop to even make a profit - with full ads you can get away with a price of maybe 3000, half a rack.
Tables on the other hand only take 7 peices of wood, so need to sell in a shop for around 400 to make profit. In 24 hours I can sell a full rack of tables for 700, and have lots of steel to expand my joineries and furniture shops. MAking this a more viable option.

[Guest]

I TOLD U SO!

One prominent member has risen the prise again and has promised to rise the wood prices to npc wood price levels before christmas.

Evidence:

XXXXXXXXXXXXXX (info) 4.10.07 08:51
(BUY) wardrobes 1550+60*q | tables 250+15*q | wood 55+0.60*q (min 10,000 units) | steel q0-4=133+0.5*q, q5+=138+3 (q5=138, q6=141, q7=144...)

please be adviced start selling ur furniture stores to me:D

[Guest]

Hey, welcome to the business world.
Not enough wood for the demand? -> higher prices
More companie starting producing wood -> more offers -> lower prices

[Guest]

Please, do not agitate for producing wood, its not necessary