Mauritania Gas
Demand: 42,285,800 Supply:23,809
does that mean if i put a gass station in Mauritania it will sell faster then say france?
Gas Station Question
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unfortunately no,
This game does not really function on a classical economic system of supply and demand, but neither does the real world anymore either, so I guess it is not much different.
But you are right, under a "Supply and demand" model the greater the demand the higher price you could charge or the faster it would sell, in the game.
Of course the argument here is that there is a lower standard of living in Africa, that they are all poor and can't afford to pay as much for those goods.
Which might be true in the real world of today's neoliberal/neoconservative economics, it would not be true in the world of classical economics where labor itself would also have a supply and demand curve.
Since everybody is rushing to Africa to save on production cost, with a set population and rising amount of jobs, the cost of labor would also rise, leading to more cash in the local system and higher prices you could charge at your stores or faster selling time at the old price.
Area info
Area: France
Buildings total:43374
Inhabitants:1039782
Jobs:107194
Wages:3000
Area info
Area: Mauritania
Buildings total:129850
Inhabitants:2135203
Jobs:220124
Wages:900
Mauritania has 3 times as many buildings,
twice as many jobs,
Sure twice the population but less than 1/3 wages,
Since France as half as much population and Mauritania has twice as many jobs the two factors should negate each other and the wages should be roughly equal, you'd think.
But then you'd have to look at the quality of those jobs,
any government wage regulations,
Unions, eduction or not only the individual worker but the population in general.
Literacy definition: age 15 and over can read and write
France Literacy:
total population: 99%
male: 99%
female: 99% (2003 est.)
Mauritania Literacy:
total population: 51.2%
male: 59.5%
female: 43.4% (2000 census)
So the people in Mauritania not only don't know enough to get better jobs but don't know enough to know that they are getting screwed at the jobs they do have, since they lack the availability to information.
Then you'd have to look at what those who are educated are concerned about, in effecting government change.
As an example threw thier political parties.
France:
Citizen and Republican Movement
Democratic and European Social Rally
Radical Republican and Socialist Parties
French Communist Party
Greens
Left Radical Party
Movement for France
National Front
Rally for France
Socialist Party
Union for French Democracy
Union for a Popular Movement
Mauritania:
Al-Mithaq - coalition of independents and parties
Centrist Reformists
Coalition for Forces for Democratic Change
Democratic and Social Republican Party
Mauritanian Party for Unity and Change
National Rally for Freedom, Democracy and Equality
Popular Progressive Alliance
Rally of Democratic Forces
Rally for Democracy and Unity
Republican Party for Democracy and Renewal
Socialist and Democratic Unity Party
Union for Democracy and Progress
Union of Democratic Centre
Union of the Forces for Progress
So France has 6 socialist parties, who would be concerned about getting labor fair wages.
One right wing party which would want unfair wages.
3 nationalist parties, which shows they have low self esteem.
1 environmental party, which shows that quality of living is not such a dire issue that they are able to concentrate on other issues.
and "The Union for a Popular Movement" what ever the hell that is.
While Mauritania on the other hand has;
7 reform parties and 5 democracy parties, which should they have neither and only 2 socialist party.
So you see Mauritania still trying to establish and reform a government while France is done that and is trying to strengthen the quality of life for the population and indeed has even moved past that to such issues as the environment.
Granted you'd also have to look at the strength of those parties as well, it is just another indicator.
And granted you'd also have to look at the United States that only has 2 political parties which only goes to show you that Americans can not think for themselves and have no means to effect political change in their government and a lot fewer freedoms than they'd even imagine.
Wow, that is almost like the three stages of government,
1)Mauritania, birth and growth,
2)France, established and mature,
3)USA, corrupt and in decline
4)Revolution
Birth, life, death, rebirth
Just a coincidence, I assure you.
but as much to say that Mauritania is too much concerned about just getting a stable government to worry about the quality of life or it's people just yet. France is established it's government and running the issues of the day and in a democracy that would be the issues of the people, such as wages and the US government has taken over it's own population couldn't really give a rats ass about it's people anymore and is ripe for revolution.
Sorry, didn't mean to get into a big political rant, it just came up that way.
Economy
Mauritania:
Half the population still depends on agriculture and livestock for a livelihood.
Unemployment rate: 20% (2004 est.)
Population below poverty line: 40% (2004 est.)
Exchange rates: ouguiyas per US dollar - 271.3 (2006)
France:
France is in the midst of transition from government ownership and intervention to partially or fully privatized many large companies.
Unemployment rate: 8.7% (December 2006 est.)
Population below poverty line: 6.2% (2004)
Exchange rates: euros per US dollar - 0.7964 (2006)
https://www.cia.gov/library/publication ... index.html
This game does not really function on a classical economic system of supply and demand, but neither does the real world anymore either, so I guess it is not much different.
But you are right, under a "Supply and demand" model the greater the demand the higher price you could charge or the faster it would sell, in the game.
Of course the argument here is that there is a lower standard of living in Africa, that they are all poor and can't afford to pay as much for those goods.
Which might be true in the real world of today's neoliberal/neoconservative economics, it would not be true in the world of classical economics where labor itself would also have a supply and demand curve.
Since everybody is rushing to Africa to save on production cost, with a set population and rising amount of jobs, the cost of labor would also rise, leading to more cash in the local system and higher prices you could charge at your stores or faster selling time at the old price.
Area info
Area: France
Buildings total:43374
Inhabitants:1039782
Jobs:107194
Wages:3000
Area info
Area: Mauritania
Buildings total:129850
Inhabitants:2135203
Jobs:220124
Wages:900
Mauritania has 3 times as many buildings,
twice as many jobs,
Sure twice the population but less than 1/3 wages,
Since France as half as much population and Mauritania has twice as many jobs the two factors should negate each other and the wages should be roughly equal, you'd think.
But then you'd have to look at the quality of those jobs,
any government wage regulations,
Unions, eduction or not only the individual worker but the population in general.
Literacy definition: age 15 and over can read and write
France Literacy:
total population: 99%
male: 99%
female: 99% (2003 est.)
Mauritania Literacy:
total population: 51.2%
male: 59.5%
female: 43.4% (2000 census)
So the people in Mauritania not only don't know enough to get better jobs but don't know enough to know that they are getting screwed at the jobs they do have, since they lack the availability to information.
Then you'd have to look at what those who are educated are concerned about, in effecting government change.
As an example threw thier political parties.
France:
Citizen and Republican Movement
Democratic and European Social Rally
Radical Republican and Socialist Parties
French Communist Party
Greens
Left Radical Party
Movement for France
National Front
Rally for France
Socialist Party
Union for French Democracy
Union for a Popular Movement
Mauritania:
Al-Mithaq - coalition of independents and parties
Centrist Reformists
Coalition for Forces for Democratic Change
Democratic and Social Republican Party
Mauritanian Party for Unity and Change
National Rally for Freedom, Democracy and Equality
Popular Progressive Alliance
Rally of Democratic Forces
Rally for Democracy and Unity
Republican Party for Democracy and Renewal
Socialist and Democratic Unity Party
Union for Democracy and Progress
Union of Democratic Centre
Union of the Forces for Progress
So France has 6 socialist parties, who would be concerned about getting labor fair wages.
One right wing party which would want unfair wages.
3 nationalist parties, which shows they have low self esteem.
1 environmental party, which shows that quality of living is not such a dire issue that they are able to concentrate on other issues.
and "The Union for a Popular Movement" what ever the hell that is.
While Mauritania on the other hand has;
7 reform parties and 5 democracy parties, which should they have neither and only 2 socialist party.
So you see Mauritania still trying to establish and reform a government while France is done that and is trying to strengthen the quality of life for the population and indeed has even moved past that to such issues as the environment.
Granted you'd also have to look at the strength of those parties as well, it is just another indicator.
And granted you'd also have to look at the United States that only has 2 political parties which only goes to show you that Americans can not think for themselves and have no means to effect political change in their government and a lot fewer freedoms than they'd even imagine.
Wow, that is almost like the three stages of government,
1)Mauritania, birth and growth,
2)France, established and mature,
3)USA, corrupt and in decline
4)Revolution
Birth, life, death, rebirth
Just a coincidence, I assure you.
but as much to say that Mauritania is too much concerned about just getting a stable government to worry about the quality of life or it's people just yet. France is established it's government and running the issues of the day and in a democracy that would be the issues of the people, such as wages and the US government has taken over it's own population couldn't really give a rats ass about it's people anymore and is ripe for revolution.
Sorry, didn't mean to get into a big political rant, it just came up that way.
Economy
Mauritania:
Half the population still depends on agriculture and livestock for a livelihood.
Unemployment rate: 20% (2004 est.)
Population below poverty line: 40% (2004 est.)
Exchange rates: ouguiyas per US dollar - 271.3 (2006)
France:
France is in the midst of transition from government ownership and intervention to partially or fully privatized many large companies.
Unemployment rate: 8.7% (December 2006 est.)
Population below poverty line: 6.2% (2004)
Exchange rates: euros per US dollar - 0.7964 (2006)
https://www.cia.gov/library/publication ... index.html
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Yeah the US (compared to France) has a Per Capita 50% higher, a Growth rate more than 50% higher, and unemployment 50% lower.
That's some definition of the word "decline" I'm not familiar with. The US is bigger and growing faster.
What France has going for it is less separation. The premise being that if you tie rocks around the necks of the good swimmers, then the bad swimmers won't realize they suck. No thank you.
And I can't begin to comprehend your logic with political parties. There are many, but most people are content with one of the two big ones. And that means they're ... unhappy? So by definition in a utopia the country would be in constant revolution I presume.
And Mauritania is still a poor country because until 1960 it was a territory of ... guess which country? Not the US ...
That's some definition of the word "decline" I'm not familiar with. The US is bigger and growing faster.
What France has going for it is less separation. The premise being that if you tie rocks around the necks of the good swimmers, then the bad swimmers won't realize they suck. No thank you.
And I can't begin to comprehend your logic with political parties. There are many, but most people are content with one of the two big ones. And that means they're ... unhappy? So by definition in a utopia the country would be in constant revolution I presume.
And Mauritania is still a poor country because until 1960 it was a territory of ... guess which country? Not the US ...
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I'm not sure that is the purpose of governments that have privatized industries and regulations. Though I think I've read that short story by Kurt Vonnegut that you are referring to, at least I think it was Vonnegut.
Anyway, I think governments, I mean responsible governments, which the US is definitely NOT, try to make the market fair for everybody, rather than have your population behaving like a pack of wild animals devouring each other.
If you make the market too fair, as in deregulation of everything then you ultimately make it unfair for everybody except megamonopolies and all business and industry either go bankrupt under unregulated competition, get bought out or become dependents of a few controlling companies, leaving no growth or innovation.
Monopolies are bad, very bad, very very bad things, I think the example of AT&T should prove that much. Before they had high rates and poor quality but after the monopoly was busted up by the government you got the internet, 3 way calling, call forwarding, cell phones, pagers, call waiting, speed dial, caller ID, caller ID blocker, 411, 911, etc, etc, etc.
The government forced that industry to become competitive again creating innovation and lower prices with befitted all the people.
Sure if you want a economy and government to benefit only a few self appointed elitist [censored] sitting on a big pile of money laughing at the rest of the world for not being as rich as they are, then the American government and economy is a wonderful thing, but if you think that the responsibility of a government is to serve ALL the people and not just a few then what the American way of life has de-evolved into is the most insidious suffocating stifling repressive system currently available, not counting an imperialist monarchy of some sort.
I seriously doubt any statistics coming out of this administration as to the heath of the economy or anything else for that matter but yes, industries have been posting record profits, some industries, due to the fact they have little competition or the consumers have no alternatives and are forced, by arrangement to buy the goods at the prices available.
Prices have doubled, tripped, quadrupled on some items, because there is not competition, because consumers have no alternative.
But it is a good economy?
for who?
Not the people,
if your economy is not befitting the workers or the consumer but only the executives and owners, then do you really have a "healthy economy"?
If you benefit 100's at the cost of millions is that a fair economy?
If cost of living is the same or higher than wages then you are not running a government but a slave farm.
But yes, I'm sure it would be good for industry if you could get everybody to work for free.
The problem is that over 200 years ago American revolutionaries wrote "We the people..." and now we are told, "Oh Sorry, we meant we the RICH people...".
The problem with France is that they saw what we did during the American revolution and followed our shinning example of trying to make the world a better place for everybody and not just kings and princes.
They thought we meant it and followed our example as the wave or the future, they didn't know that we must have just been joking.
And NO, you can't use the old tired argument that if you give rich people more money then they will create more industry, which they will have to hire more people, because while these companies have been making record profits on record lowest costs, they also have been laying off more workers in the entire history of time and closing plants to move them to China, South America and India, which, hemm, does not benefit the American people in any way.
It is insane, voodoo economics of the past.
Lower cost but charge them more?
How does that work into supply and demand?
It doesn't, our economy has become so free it has enslaved everybody.
It has become an artificial environment, just another tool of control benefiting nobody including the philosophically misguided people who champion the Neoliberal/neoconservative economic model.
Where does all that wealth go that was generated?
Nowhere?
In a bank account in Switzerland to gather mothballs for the next 100 years?
Certainly not back into circulation.
And any system that does not feed back into itself dies.
That which does not grow is dies.
And just for kicks, "entropy only increases, never decreases",
AHHH American economics is breaking the laws of physics, AHHH!!!!
As for the American political parties, they are a joke.
Most contries have dozens of political parties, as there are as many opinions in the world as there are people but for some strange reason Americans only have two options apparently.
Again monopolies don't benefit consumers it only leaves them with fewer choses and less growth and innovation.
Oh but you get to chose between these two dualistic options.
Democrat or republican,
Black or white,
right or left,
up or down,
Coke or Pepsi,
forwards or backwards,
divide and conquer.
Serfdom or Slavery.
What a wonderful system, like you get to chose your own seat on the plane ride to hell.
how nice of them to let us pick for ourselves.
(sarcasm for those of you unfamiliar with that concept)
The world has entered into a very dark place and nobody will benefit from this, not France, not Mauritania, not America, not you and not me.
Should the makers of this game remove the NPC on the market?
Eliminate the upgrade cap?
Building cap?
How about giving all those at Trillionaire level in the game free production cost,
Free building cost, free Material and power cost.
Free forwarding.
And free money and goods as well.
so only the top players can make 100,000 goods per second at very little cost to themselves and dump it on the markets and stores.
while those at Dishwasher level have to pay their own cost plus make up for the cost of what those larger companies are getting for free.
Yep, then it really will be like American economics,
But not a very fun game for anybody.
"HE HE HE, look at me, I just made 500,000 cars and sold them for $50,000 less than anybody else can sell them for, till they go bankrupt then I'll sell them for a million dollars each, he he he, look at me, I'm destroying the economy, he he he"
Everybody would quite and that guy would get bored and quit too.
I guess the difference is that the imaginary population of Kapilands don't really need food, clothing, housing and everything else so prices don't matter here.
I guess the other difference between Kapilands and modern economics is that you can quit Kapilands if you get tired of playing somebody else's game, but you can't quit prison planet USA unless you put a gun in your mouth.
(U)seless
(S)atanic
(A)ssholes
(U)nited
(S)laves
(A)ssociation
(U)naware
(S)tupid
(A)mericans
(U)neducated
(S)ubservent
(A)utomatons
Sorry, ran out of appropriate nouns beginning with the letter "A".
What a horrible horrible horrible world.
What is the use of having a good economy if everybody forced to live under it is miserable?
Anyway, I think governments, I mean responsible governments, which the US is definitely NOT, try to make the market fair for everybody, rather than have your population behaving like a pack of wild animals devouring each other.
If you make the market too fair, as in deregulation of everything then you ultimately make it unfair for everybody except megamonopolies and all business and industry either go bankrupt under unregulated competition, get bought out or become dependents of a few controlling companies, leaving no growth or innovation.
Monopolies are bad, very bad, very very bad things, I think the example of AT&T should prove that much. Before they had high rates and poor quality but after the monopoly was busted up by the government you got the internet, 3 way calling, call forwarding, cell phones, pagers, call waiting, speed dial, caller ID, caller ID blocker, 411, 911, etc, etc, etc.
The government forced that industry to become competitive again creating innovation and lower prices with befitted all the people.
Sure if you want a economy and government to benefit only a few self appointed elitist [censored] sitting on a big pile of money laughing at the rest of the world for not being as rich as they are, then the American government and economy is a wonderful thing, but if you think that the responsibility of a government is to serve ALL the people and not just a few then what the American way of life has de-evolved into is the most insidious suffocating stifling repressive system currently available, not counting an imperialist monarchy of some sort.
I seriously doubt any statistics coming out of this administration as to the heath of the economy or anything else for that matter but yes, industries have been posting record profits, some industries, due to the fact they have little competition or the consumers have no alternatives and are forced, by arrangement to buy the goods at the prices available.
Prices have doubled, tripped, quadrupled on some items, because there is not competition, because consumers have no alternative.
But it is a good economy?
for who?
Not the people,
if your economy is not befitting the workers or the consumer but only the executives and owners, then do you really have a "healthy economy"?
If you benefit 100's at the cost of millions is that a fair economy?
If cost of living is the same or higher than wages then you are not running a government but a slave farm.
But yes, I'm sure it would be good for industry if you could get everybody to work for free.
The problem is that over 200 years ago American revolutionaries wrote "We the people..." and now we are told, "Oh Sorry, we meant we the RICH people...".
The problem with France is that they saw what we did during the American revolution and followed our shinning example of trying to make the world a better place for everybody and not just kings and princes.
They thought we meant it and followed our example as the wave or the future, they didn't know that we must have just been joking.
And NO, you can't use the old tired argument that if you give rich people more money then they will create more industry, which they will have to hire more people, because while these companies have been making record profits on record lowest costs, they also have been laying off more workers in the entire history of time and closing plants to move them to China, South America and India, which, hemm, does not benefit the American people in any way.
It is insane, voodoo economics of the past.
Lower cost but charge them more?
How does that work into supply and demand?
It doesn't, our economy has become so free it has enslaved everybody.
It has become an artificial environment, just another tool of control benefiting nobody including the philosophically misguided people who champion the Neoliberal/neoconservative economic model.
Where does all that wealth go that was generated?
Nowhere?
In a bank account in Switzerland to gather mothballs for the next 100 years?
Certainly not back into circulation.
And any system that does not feed back into itself dies.
That which does not grow is dies.
And just for kicks, "entropy only increases, never decreases",
AHHH American economics is breaking the laws of physics, AHHH!!!!
As for the American political parties, they are a joke.
Most contries have dozens of political parties, as there are as many opinions in the world as there are people but for some strange reason Americans only have two options apparently.
Again monopolies don't benefit consumers it only leaves them with fewer choses and less growth and innovation.
Oh but you get to chose between these two dualistic options.
Democrat or republican,
Black or white,
right or left,
up or down,
Coke or Pepsi,
forwards or backwards,
divide and conquer.
Serfdom or Slavery.
What a wonderful system, like you get to chose your own seat on the plane ride to hell.
how nice of them to let us pick for ourselves.
(sarcasm for those of you unfamiliar with that concept)
The world has entered into a very dark place and nobody will benefit from this, not France, not Mauritania, not America, not you and not me.
Should the makers of this game remove the NPC on the market?
Eliminate the upgrade cap?
Building cap?
How about giving all those at Trillionaire level in the game free production cost,
Free building cost, free Material and power cost.
Free forwarding.
And free money and goods as well.
so only the top players can make 100,000 goods per second at very little cost to themselves and dump it on the markets and stores.
while those at Dishwasher level have to pay their own cost plus make up for the cost of what those larger companies are getting for free.
Yep, then it really will be like American economics,
But not a very fun game for anybody.
"HE HE HE, look at me, I just made 500,000 cars and sold them for $50,000 less than anybody else can sell them for, till they go bankrupt then I'll sell them for a million dollars each, he he he, look at me, I'm destroying the economy, he he he"
Everybody would quite and that guy would get bored and quit too.
I guess the difference is that the imaginary population of Kapilands don't really need food, clothing, housing and everything else so prices don't matter here.
I guess the other difference between Kapilands and modern economics is that you can quit Kapilands if you get tired of playing somebody else's game, but you can't quit prison planet USA unless you put a gun in your mouth.
(U)seless
(S)atanic
(A)ssholes
(U)nited
(S)laves
(A)ssociation
(U)naware
(S)tupid
(A)mericans
(U)neducated
(S)ubservent
(A)utomatons
Sorry, ran out of appropriate nouns beginning with the letter "A".
What a horrible horrible horrible world.
What is the use of having a good economy if everybody forced to live under it is miserable?
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yes, dbsuma, you really overcame all my expectations, whan I started reading your post, i expected it to be stupid and offtopis like all your other posts, but this one is the best
i really wanted to reply to more points of your posts, but it's such a buch of bullshit, that i don't know where to begin
just one: in Great Britain they have also two parties, it's a regular political system not a conspiracy of the government to enslave the people
btw. have you ever been to US?
i really wanted to reply to more points of your posts, but it's such a buch of bullshit, that i don't know where to begin
just one: in Great Britain they have also two parties, it's a regular political system not a conspiracy of the government to enslave the people
btw. have you ever been to US?
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@ Both of you - Um, he has his location set to Ohio. You know, that thing under the name next to the post.
Sounds to me like there is nothing wrong with him that a trip to the middle-east wouldn't cure.
Hey Smith? You under 40? Medically sound? I can get you enlisted and exposed to the rest of the world in a hurry. May cause death, but sure grants some prespective. PM me if interested!
Sounds to me like there is nothing wrong with him that a trip to the middle-east wouldn't cure.
Hey Smith? You under 40? Medically sound? I can get you enlisted and exposed to the rest of the world in a hurry. May cause death, but sure grants some prespective. PM me if interested!
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then i don't understand his attitude at allCapitalis wrote:@ Both of you - Um, he has his location set to Ohio. You know, that thing under the name next to the post.
in US everyone that is skilled or clever will be appropriately awarded and all the lazy and stupid people will have to stay poor with only jealousy left, maybe that's what he hates so much
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Found this very amusing as America is probably the best place for stupid ppl to make big money roflmao
Drvic enterprises wrote:in US everyone that is skilled or clever will be appropriately awarded and all the lazy and stupid people will have to stay poor with only jealousy left, maybe that's what he hates so much
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while giving the clever ones chance to make even moreexodus wrote:Found this very amusing as America is probably the best place for stupid ppl to make big money roflmao
Drvic enterprises wrote:in US everyone that is skilled or clever will be appropriately awarded and all the lazy and stupid people will have to stay poor with only jealousy left, maybe that's what he hates so much
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Oh yes, The House of Lords and The House of Commons.Drvic enterprises wrote: just one: in Great Britain they have also two parties, it's a regular political system not a conspiracy of the government to enslave the people
btw. have you ever been to US?
The House of Lords being for the rich
And in incredibly bad taste, The House of Commons, the connotation being that if you are not a Lord then you are a Commoner.
Why not just call them what they are, instead of the house of lords call it the house of parasites.
Instead of the House of Commons call it the house of regular people who are NOT emotionally retarded philosophically misguided.
But if anything that proves my point exactly, you
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