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The reason I havn't asked if what I do is "fair" is because I would first have to see some reason as to why it would be un-fair. As long as I'm not selling at or below production cost I should be able to sell for whatever price I want. When the mods start to police this game down to the smallest detail is when the game is no longer fun. Where's the competition if I'm forced to sell my power for more than 0.06 just because some people don't like it?

Haha, arguing this will be like arguing China's price dumping policies in the EU commission..maybe there is really such a thing call 'no right or wrong answer'. Ah, I'll hold my peace for now.

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The reason I havn't asked if what I do is "fair" is because I would first have to see some reason as to why it would be un-fair. As long as I'm not selling at or below production cost I should be able to sell for whatever price I want. When the mods start to police this game down to the smallest detail is when the game is no longer fun. Where's the competition if I'm forced to sell my power for more than 0.06 just because some people don't like it?

Haha, arguing this will be like arguing China's price dumping policies in the EU commission..maybe there is really such a thing call 'no right or wrong answer'. Ah, I'll hold my peace for now.

You're right. I hold my peace as well.

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now 18.2
closing in on Federal Reserve!
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I hate you, Lman360!

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you see, allowing prices like that to trade opens up the avenue for one to blatantly pump up one account with another, legally!

So how did the power price get to be where it is? Because people are buying power that they are using? No. Because people are buying power that they can resell later at a higher price? No. It's a gift. Myself said as much.

There is an oversupply of power. It should be selling for much lower because much more is being produced than is being used. The only reason the price isn't around .06-.10 is that someone is buying power that he doesn't need and that he won't be able to resell later at a higher price. He is losing money hand over fist. Sooner or later, power producers will have to face the music.

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And, really, Knolls would be the first to tell you that your actual power cost is never 0.01c...

Knolls says to use market prices to calculate costs for production inputs, in order to pay the other buildings involved in production. Power has no inputs. No other kind of building is needed. So warehouse cost and Knolls cost are the same for power.

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And, really, Knolls would be the first to tell you that your actual power cost is never 0.01c...

Knolls says to use market prices to calculate costs for production inputs, in order to pay the other buildings involved in production. Power has no inputs. No other kind of building is needed. So warehouse cost and Knolls cost are the same for power.

Right. And the power plants come free, and expand at no cost.

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Right. And the power plants come free, and expand at no cost.

A building or an expansion is a fixed cost, not a marginal (per unit) cost. With a certain finite number of units produced and sold above warehouse cost, a building or expansion will be paid off. .06 is above warehouse cost, so all is good.

I still haven't heard a good reason that people should be obligated, on pain of having their accounts suspended, to buy power at market rates that are admittedly distortions of real and sustainable supply and demand. I have nothing against myself. In the context of a game, it's kinda cool that he can manipulate the power market. But just because market prices have become temporarily insane doesn't mean that contract prices have to be insane too. If people don't have the option to create reasonably priced contracts, they will build their own power plants.

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well... I actively controlled the market price until midnight yesterday... and even though we are 18 hours later the market has not adapted the price yet... on the contrary... it is currently 0,03c higher than my guaranteed price Now it really is on the top limit

so either there is really more demand than supply right now or some other people are pushing the power market either way... it is a very interesting development... if the people that push the prices are reading this please contact me an in game message

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Right. And the power plants come free, and expand at no cost.

true, but you are failing to see the benefits he gains by selling it to fellow members for this price. should he need wood, stones or steel for expansion those who he sells his power to would be more than willing to sell him these products at rates far below "MARKET CONDITIONS"!!!!!!!

And, about the only things that get you a profit greater than this is a handful of end products - requiring high Q researches, and a good approach to sales (no the grab maximum cash over the shortest period of time approach rampant in R2......... ).

So the question is why is it right that power producer/sellers are getting returns of 6-27 times production cost when their buyers can barely make those levels of return when the price is 6 times production cost.

So, LETS LOOK AT THIS RATIONALLY

1. power producers in green selling at .06 gain a profit of 6 times production cost. if they build in red then this reduces to a profit of 2 times production cost.

2. Most power producers will opt for green because it gives them greatest profit so a price of .18 represents a profit of 18 times. (red is 6 times profit)

3. i produce most of my own power but to illustrate a point

water produces for .04 - (times 18 profit) - 0.72 {NPC price = 0.27}

to reflect market conditions (and mark-ups) thats 2.67 times the NPC price.

wood produces for 68.87 {using bought NPC seeds, NPC water and market power at .18} - (times 18 times profit) - 1239.66 (NPC price = 75).

thats 16.5 times npc price reflecting market conditions

Logical assumption ..... power prices to high makes the game a massive "Cheater".

etc.....etc.....etc......etc.....etc.....etc......etc......

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...you are failing to see the benefits he gains by selling it to fellow members for this price. should he need wood, stones or steel for expansion those who he sells his power to would be more than willing to sell him these products at rates far below "MARKET CONDITIONS"!!!!!!!......

and that is cheating, isn't it?


oh boy..we can argue, stab each other till kingdom come, ...unless there is a court of arbitration that rules 'hey that's too high, that's too low', there won't be any outright winner...and i am still holding my peace

now, we are returning this thread to myth1-9, aren't we?

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well... I actively controlled the market price until midnight yesterday... and even though we are 18 hours later the market has not adapted the price yet... on the contrary... it is currently 0,03c higher than my guaranteed price Now it really is on the top limit

so either there is really more demand than supply right now or some other people are pushing the power market either way... it is a very interesting development... if the people that push the prices are reading this please contact me an in game message

that would be me, although i am only buying $200million worth of power a day so its pretty closes to being more demand than supply.

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yeah well... 200 million is not enough to control that market. I set 2b power on the market for 0,25... lets see how long it takes until it is bought. but I have the impression that prices will soon drop to 0,2... even without my intervention.


take me off the power producer list... I'll stop producing power soon and will not start again until 2010

but then I'll be without a doubt THE biggest power producer in this world. I started to expand all my buildings to 32767m2... all power plants in red.

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but then I'll be without a doubt THE biggest power producer in this world. I started to expand all my buildings to 32767m2... all power plants in red.

Exactly how many power plants are you expanding to 32767m2. If it's 100 then you would produce 3 816 973 533 power per day . If you sold that at 0.25 you would make 954 243 383.25 caps per day. WOW.

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but then I'll be without a doubt THE biggest power producer in this world. I started to expand all my buildings to 32767m2... all power plants in red.

Exactly how many power plants are you expanding to 32767m2. If it's 100 then you would produce 3 816 973 533 power per day . If you sold that at 0.25 you would make 954 243 383.25 caps per day. WOW.

that would be cool, i am expanding one of my powerplants to 13,600m2 and it will make 100million power a day woot!

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oh and a UPDATE

Relm 1
#1 power trix with 760.85 million
#2 Myself loco... with 811.58 million
#3 Power inc. With 511.4million
#4 HA Brotherwith 501milion
#5 Habar with 321.4 million


Relm 2
#1 Eleknar Energy Solutions with 361.7 million
#2 Benco. with 150 million
#3 Philip212 wiith 48 million
#4 FEDERAL RESERVE INC with 18.4 million
#5 Energy Incorporated with 18.7 million