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Post by Guest » 25.08.2007, 20:32

Azer Productions wrote:What would happen if you take apart a watch, place it in a bag and shack it for 100 billion years?
You'd get a very sore arm!!

Science can't answer everything, and it doesn't claim to. However, science has a responsible methodical way of testing and retesting theories. It's not clouded by emotion or superstition or anything but the facts. Scientists look at a problem and ask how can it be explained using the evidence available. Creationists on the otherhand say "I won't listen to anything anyone has to say, this is what I believe and I'll believe it till the day I die!!"

Why isn't this a place to discuss this? There is a thread in here where people were just trying to get their post counts up!! If that's allowed, anything is allowed!!!

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Post by Guest » 25.08.2007, 23:04

this is a place to discuss this that is why i put it here and i dont think you would have a very sore arm for long because you only live to 150 at max right now so they would take the watch off and throw it away

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Post by Guest » 26.08.2007, 12:34

hebawom wrote:Science can't answer everything, and it doesn't claim to. However, science has a responsible methodical way of testing and retesting theories. It's not clouded by emotion or superstition or anything but the facts.
I am a Creationist and I love having conversations like this. I would like to first respond to the above comment by hebawom. I agree that science has a responsible way of testing and retesting theories. However, theories do not become facts until everything can be proven. The Big Bang Theory can not be 100% proven. There are several holes in it just like there are several holes in many of the other "secular" reasons given as to the creation of this world.

Who created God? I am one of those who believe that God has always been. Genesis 1:1 states that "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." I don't know how God came into existence and it isn't a concern for me, personally. Some people get caught up in this argument. For me, it isn't a sticky point. God has always been and he will be forever. The Bible refers to Him as the "alpha" and "omega" the "beginning and the end."

If I understand the second question, you are wondering why there is no evidence of human remains from the time of the dinosaurs. If I have this wrong, it would probably completely change my response. The first easy response is how do you know that there are no human remains. People are human remains (and animal remains for that matter) every year. The farther people dig and the more they research, the more they discover. It seems that every year, people are discovering lost cities which have been seemingly buried thousands of years ago and we are just now discovering them.

Animals and humans use to roam Earth with ease. Sure, there was a cycle of life; however, it was cohesive. If you believe the Bible, then you are know that it speaks of a world-wide flood. In fact, Christianity isn't the only religion which speak of a flood. Specifically, the Bible speaks of the flood and the saving of life. Not only human life, but also animals. It speaks of a man named Noah who built an ark which was big enough to house two of every animal. Now this is different for me to comprehend so I am not going to get into every different kind of species. But, what I am going to say is that how is it that two lions could cohabit in an enclosed area with two lambs for 40 days and 40 nights? I don't know. But, if this were true, could humans cohabit with dinosaurs? Yes. Would there be casualties? Sure. Just like there would be casualties between man and bear or bear and lion.

Very good questions. I did not say everything that I wanted or could on this topic. And, I don't know everything. But, I thought that I would just engage in this enlightening conversation. And, I hope no one thinks that I stepped on their toes.

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Post by Guest » 26.08.2007, 16:02

good point but what did they eat the humans that is

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Post by Guest » 26.08.2007, 17:17

What did the humans eat? People farmed back then just like they do now and they also hunted. Am I answering your question?

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Post by Guest » 26.08.2007, 22:10

Question 2: THis in no way applies to anyone anymore that belive in jesus, why? The pope has declared the theory of evolution much more practible then adim and eve,


Question 1: The word god [quote]God - Our word god goes back via Germanic to Indo-European, in which a corresponding ancestor form meant

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Post by Guest » 26.08.2007, 22:19

MLS Enterprises wrote:What did the humans eat? People farmed back then just like they do now and they also hunted. Am I answering your question?
they did not farm 50 to 100 million years ago, hunting possibly what did they hunt with

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Post by Guest » 26.08.2007, 22:22

[quote="ganman"]

Question 1: The word god [quote]God - Our word god goes back via Germanic to Indo-European, in which a corresponding ancestor form meant

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Post by Guest » 27.08.2007, 11:17

Odd, i was listening to a show somewhat about this.

What did the humans eat? People farmed back then just like they do now and they also hunted. Am I answering your question?
They were Hunter Gatherrs, They started to sedle down in certain regions weres plenty of game but, they did no farm yet they go pick the stuf from the wild.


Gods: Back in the day (after ice age) They did ot have gods yet but they had somewhat a religion, more of beliefs, This solly evolved into gods and religion,

In acient egypt a pharoeh could invent a new god and say it only spoke to him, many new gods came that way,

Also in greek its said that a priest would invent a new god, and could be rich from it, or get sacrifiste :? .

GOd (1 god) is from roman, but they did not have this until after they invaded britain and sedeled down for many years

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Post by Guest » 27.08.2007, 11:38

cool 8)

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Post by Guest » 31.08.2007, 03:41

OH GOD, a GOD question!
My Favorite subject, talking about myself, he he he.

First of all, god did not create man, man created god.

God has two purposes.

1) to help man deal with his insecurities with life and to help him understand his environment better.
it was such a horrible thing living way back when, digging in the dirt for food or chasing some strange animal around to throw sticks at it.
Time consuming and pains taking and in the end you still might starve to death.
wouldn't it be much easier if there was some hidden force controlling things and we could some how win it favor.
After all, why is it that one day I can easily catch an elk and the next day I can't.
How come it rains one day, to grow my crops then dry for months.
there must be some force controlling things, so you would think.

Yes, but I can't see it, so this force must be invisible, right?

Well, man certainly was heading in the right direction, but just when you thought he was on the right track he suddenly jumps off into left field and starts to attribute things to some god or another.

Certainly there was an invisible forces controlling things,
Meteorology and weather patterns would control the weather,
Animal behavior as well as many other factors might influence the density and availability of elk in any given location at any particular time.

But we didn't understand such things then, so we marked up to some god or another.

It make it easier for us, it make us feel good that we prayed or chanted, carved enough idols or sacrificed enough goats that these unseen gods would bless us with their favor and we could rest our weary heads and not worry about such things anymore, as we have gods to take care of it for us now.

But alas you might wake up to find that it still didn't rain and you still couldn't catch that elephant you'd been chasing all day, so of course you must have unknowingly done something to displease these gods, if you could just figure out what and how.

but these days we do not have to worry about this anymore,
we do understand the principles behind such invisible forces,
We have the weatherman on the TV telling us if it is going to rain for not, a week in advance before we even leave the house in the morning.
We don't need the god of the hunt to help us survive, as we can just go to the grocery store and pick up some hamburger that has been stacked nice and neatly in individually wrapped packages for us.

So we no longer need the rain gods,
But gods have changed as man has changed,
The god of the hunt became the god of war as man changed his god to suit his needs of that day.
And today people worship other gods for other needs.
Christians I suppose worship their god so they'll get that nice shinny red fire engine for Christmas or with the affection of that girl they like.
Perhaps god could arrange things so that we will get a raise at work or keep me from getting testicular cancer.
But as this is a nation of convenience there is no need to run around trying to find any goats to slaughter, you can just drop some money in the offering plate and god will use it to buy himself a goat if he needs one.

The Christian god has really just become a multi god, one stop shopping, one size fits all, monotheistic supper natural needs for your spiritual convenience for a consumer marketplace, have a nice day.

but the same principles apply,
this god is still just there, invented by us, to help us feel better about the aspects of our lives that we can not control and to help us in our attempts to understand the world we live in a little better.

Jews, I don't know, not sure I should even dare bringing the subject up on a German message board, but I guess their religion centers around the idea that everyone else in the world should be killed or enslaved, as they are their gods "Chosen people".
not trying to start a fight, just being technical about it.
but again, it is the same thing,
the Jewish god is a left over War god and the Jews in particular have done so piss poor badly at the art of war in their history they really really really needed a war god to assist them, so they invented one, just as all man invents his own god for his own needs.

Farmers would worship the rain god,
Hunter the god of the hunt,
Warriors the gods of war,
Fisherman the gods of the sea, etc, etc, etc,

As a noted example just to prove my point, the greeks made their living off the sea, trade and for food and Poseidon played a major role in their pantheon, while the Romans made war on others and you found Mars or Jupiter to favored gods. American Indians hunted, mostly and had nature spirits to help them.

but all these gods are now useless in a modern age, if not detrimental, so we need a new god, a god that will get us laid and give us lots of money.
no wonder, no doubt we seen satanism more prevalent in todays culture, as he would help all us insecure frightened little people get the things we need in live but are too stupid to figure out how to get ourselves.

Again not criticizing, just critiquing.

But alas, even in major organized religion people do have a tendency to create their own god or at least interpret their god the way they wish them to be.

So to answer your question on who created god, you did.

2) The second purpose for gods is just a means of controlling the masses.
It's been going on for ages, the ruling class elite defines who god is and what he wants and you run around on bended knees doing his/their bidding.

Ever other Thursday your preacher will tell you whatever accused tyrant in history is the Antichrist and you need to pack up all your goodies and run off across the world to kill him for Halibertion energy corp, err, I mean for god.

Weather it was Charlemagne, Hitler, Stalin, Sadam, napoleon, Ben Laden, the nation always defines itself as good and always defines the enemy as evil, on both sides, to get your stupid ass to run off and get shot to make your rulers rich and richer.

It's been going on since Ancient Egypt and likely before.

So to answer your question again, who created god, they did.

As for the dinosaurs, this is their planet and they want it back dammit.
Perhaps they'll pray to the god of faulty real estate transactions.

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Post by Guest » 31.08.2007, 12:17

Whats With u And huge Post man takes a hour to scroll past it. lol But that is a very nice point that man creat god not vice versa, Also Relegion is a good money maker richest organisation is the catholiqs :)

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Post by Guest » 31.08.2007, 13:19

wow i have to read this tonight to long in school to stay here and read

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Post by Guest » 01.09.2007, 06:50

ok now the agnostic veiw :) im not sure of the exsact dates but in the 1990s scientests in boston were able to spontaniously create amino acids. the method they used went something like this they simulated the chemical compsition of the water/sludge that was found on earth before man appered they added atmashicic conditions and ammino acids were formed . now amino acids are the basic building blocks of all life on this planet - from amino acids the next step is single cell organisims add a billion years and u have us :)

ofcourse this is the abridged version also sry for my awful spelling lol

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Post by Guest » 01.09.2007, 10:55

what are amo acids

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