lol i guess there has to be one product that you cannot make money on!! but it so sad i sell q20 so all u need to buy is 2k and your building is full. they should make the advertizments slowly be used up so that there is a constant demand for advertizment. like 1 advertizment will half the time it takes to sell 1k products. or something like that. so every time u sell 1k products you need to buy 1 more advertizment. or maybe everymonth you need to replenish your advertizments. or a store where u sell advertizments to the public like you sell gas in gas stations. like a radio station where you sell the advertizments for money!Advertizing should need to be replenished monthly!
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Advertizing should need to be replenished monthly!
I think that the only product that neverdissappears is advertizing. there is no demand for it! you buy it once and ur done for the whole time you play the game!! i thought i could make money selling advertizments lol i guess there has to be one product that you cannot make money on!! but it so sad i sell q20 so all u need to buy is 2k and your building is full. they should make the advertizments slowly be used up so that there is a constant demand for advertizment. like 1 advertizment will half the time it takes to sell 1k products. or something like that. so every time u sell 1k products you need to buy 1 more advertizment. or maybe everymonth you need to replenish your advertizments. or a store where u sell advertizments to the public like you sell gas in gas stations. like a radio station where you sell the advertizments for money!
lol i guess there has to be one product that you cannot make money on!! but it so sad i sell q20 so all u need to buy is 2k and your building is full. they should make the advertizments slowly be used up so that there is a constant demand for advertizment. like 1 advertizment will half the time it takes to sell 1k products. or something like that. so every time u sell 1k products you need to buy 1 more advertizment. or maybe everymonth you need to replenish your advertizments. or a store where u sell advertizments to the public like you sell gas in gas stations. like a radio station where you sell the advertizments for money!-
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Sigh.. I know many people think advertisments are not profitable at all.
In fact in high quality they are.
I always sell advertisements, by contract and market, always make profit.
There is a continuing demand.
It is not the best product in the world but it certainly is not the worst either, although not recommended for beginning companies.
In fact in high quality they are.
I always sell advertisements, by contract and market, always make profit.
There is a continuing demand.
It is not the best product in the world but it certainly is not the worst either, although not recommended for beginning companies.
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Always funny to see people complain a business isn't making any profit....
But rather then quitting the business they start complaining in here about it not being profitable.
In kapi regnum they changed it and there you lose ads while selling items.
Over here, it won't happen.
And still, should it change from the current situation to your idea, i doubt you'll make a better profit cuz your Q just happens to be TO LOW.
Sally could always beat your offer and she could easily increase production if she wouldn't be able to catch up with demand..
Quit producing and don't continue to flood the market with ads, that will be much more effective.
But rather then quitting the business they start complaining in here about it not being profitable.
In kapi regnum they changed it and there you lose ads while selling items.
Over here, it won't happen.
And still, should it change from the current situation to your idea, i doubt you'll make a better profit cuz your Q just happens to be TO LOW.
Sally could always beat your offer and she could easily increase production if she wouldn't be able to catch up with demand..
Quit producing and don't continue to flood the market with ads, that will be much more effective.
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Well, i would like the prices to increase. the cost to produce one add is about 400 but the cost to produce one steel is about 35. and the price for one steel in the market is 135
the price for one add in the market is about 450.
you barley makt 10c for every ad.
and you make 100 for every steel!!
This makes me so sad that there can be such a difference. and your steel will sell almost instantly. but ads take forever to sell!!
the price for one add in the market is about 450.
you barley makt 10c for every ad.
and you make 100 for every steel!!
This makes me so sad that there can be such a difference. and your steel will sell almost instantly. but ads take forever to sell!!
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You are so wrong about the steel and everything.
Please, read some posts about how to calculate productionprices -> use marketprice.
Example:
About the ads, I produce Q 43 ads.
It costs me 583,20 caps (TV Station productionprice) to produce 1 advertisement.
PLUS 1000 power, which is WORTH 0,17 caps on realm 2.
1000*0,17= 170.
So in total it costs me 583,20 + 170 = 753,20 caps to produce 1 advertisement.
I want to sell for 20 caps per adpoint.
1 Advertisement Q43 is 44 adpoints.
44*20= 880.
I sell my advertisement on the market for 880 caps each.
It will cost me 10% marketfee to sell on the market which is another 88 caps cost.
So while I sell for 880, I only get 792 caps for it.
That makes me around 38 caps profit per advertisement.
Please, read some posts about how to calculate productionprices -> use marketprice.
Example:
About the ads, I produce Q 43 ads.
It costs me 583,20 caps (TV Station productionprice) to produce 1 advertisement.
PLUS 1000 power, which is WORTH 0,17 caps on realm 2.
1000*0,17= 170.
So in total it costs me 583,20 + 170 = 753,20 caps to produce 1 advertisement.
I want to sell for 20 caps per adpoint.
1 Advertisement Q43 is 44 adpoints.
44*20= 880.
I sell my advertisement on the market for 880 caps each.
It will cost me 10% marketfee to sell on the market which is another 88 caps cost.
So while I sell for 880, I only get 792 caps for it.
That makes me around 38 caps profit per advertisement.
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First of all, sally is right about steel being nowher near as profitable as you claim it is.jkeller4000 wrote:Well, i would like the prices to increase. the cost to produce one add is about 400 but the cost to produce one steel is about 35. and the price for one steel in the market is 135
the price for one add in the market is about 450.
you barley makt 10c for every ad.
and you make 100 for every steel!!
This makes me so sad that there can be such a difference. and your steel will sell almost instantly. but ads take forever to sell!!
Second, who is forcing you to produce those products that don't make a profit????
You complain the price should be up, but you seem to refuse to stop producing it yourself.....
Now doesn't that sound stupid???
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lol, i am not producing any ads, it just makes me sad to have a buildign just sitting there. nor do i want to sell it to anyone. because if i have no use for the building i wouldn't want to pawn it off to anyone. maybe i will when i have all the ads i need i will just sell the building for what i would get from the game for it. then i won't feel so bad basically giving it away. they can demolish it if they want to.Ronintje wrote:
First of all, sally is right about steel being nowher near as profitable as you claim it is.
Second, who is forcing you to produce those products that don't make a profit????
You complain the price should be up, but you seem to refuse to stop producing it yourself.....
Now doesn't that sound stupid???
now the part about steel not being profitable!! you must mean if u buy all the raw materials. when i say produce something i mean make all the products yourself and sell it. so my factories the ones in france produce steel for 29.465c per unitl steel. my factories in Mauritania produce steel for 12.81c that is going through these equations
steel cost (A2)=2*B2+5*C2+0.5*D2+200*E2+23.8
iron cost (B2)=10*E2+7*F2+0.43
coal cost (C2)=10*E2+7*F2+0.14
chemicals cost (D2)=1*G2+10*E2+0.22
power cost (E2)=0.01
water cost (F2)=0.01*E2+0.02
minerals cost(G2)=9*E2+9*F2+0.25
my wells and mines are in yellow and my power plants in green.
so ass you see the steel i produce i make at least 100c on each steel almost 123. well if i don't pay the 10% in the market.
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That's seven products there. That's a minimum of seven buildings to produce some steel. If you assume that no building is expanded, its quite possible you'll need about 3 buildings or more to produce enough of one product to make your steel. That could get as high as 15 buildings to supply ONE factory making steel.
Now, take the amount of money you are spending for your investment, and compare with products like stones and wood.
Here is something to help you along the way: http://www.forum.kapilands.com/viewtopic.php?t=4179
Now, take the amount of money you are spending for your investment, and compare with products like stones and wood.
Here is something to help you along the way: http://www.forum.kapilands.com/viewtopic.php?t=4179
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ok so the way i see it.
you probably have learned this. return on investment need high to be good.
but also look as time goes to infinity.
well i won't be playing forever i got to die but maybe i will pass my account on.
x=number of days
limit as x->infinity of x(profit per day)/(initial- -investment)*100=
infinity*(profit per day)
but i guess this is simplified and it is assumed you play for an infinite amount of time. or well a long period. you could also look at your time frame
i plan to play for 10 years which is (365)*10
limit as x->3650 of x(profit per day)/(initial- -investment)*100=
infinity*(profit per day)
so total profit percentage. is 3650*(profit per day)
it doesn't matter on intial investment.
the only thing that matters in the long run is the profit. so which item has the maximum profit to cost ratio
cost being cost per item not cost of building nor research. becasue with time they get infinitly small compared to the intial investment.
i am much more a long term guy. maybe i will calculate the income per product based on the current conditions and write a program that you could download. that would be nice for the new people. it would hopefully be sorta correct. lol i would out a randaom thign in there because if everyone prodcued the same then they would flood the market lol. not that everyoone would follow it. so it would work for several comapnies.
you probably have learned this. return on investment need high to be good.
but also look as time goes to infinity.
well i won't be playing forever i got to die but maybe i will pass my account on.
x=number of days
limit as x->infinity of x(profit per day)/(initial- -investment)*100=
infinity*(profit per day)
but i guess this is simplified and it is assumed you play for an infinite amount of time. or well a long period. you could also look at your time frame
i plan to play for 10 years which is (365)*10
limit as x->3650 of x(profit per day)/(initial- -investment)*100=
infinity*(profit per day)
so total profit percentage. is 3650*(profit per day)
it doesn't matter on intial investment.
the only thing that matters in the long run is the profit. so which item has the maximum profit to cost ratio
cost being cost per item not cost of building nor research. becasue with time they get infinitly small compared to the intial investment.
i am much more a long term guy. maybe i will calculate the income per product based on the current conditions and write a program that you could download. that would be nice for the new people. it would hopefully be sorta correct. lol i would out a randaom thign in there because if everyone prodcued the same then they would flood the market lol. not that everyoone would follow it. so it would work for several comapnies.
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Strange, in another thread you claimed you were mature despite being 13.
Right here you only prove me you definatly aren't mature....
I've seen several people claiming similar things, but rarely i've seen someone using as much BS as you just did.
About your steel, please continue to produce it and think you are making a huge profit....as if anybody in here actually would care.....
And about your adds, you don't produce them, but you keep the building untill you have enough adds....yet you whine about not making a profit....
Dude, you have no clue about business.
But hey, whatever makes you happy....just don't bother others with your BS!!!!!!
I hate to see new players following your lead cuz they think you know what you are doing when talking BS like this..
Right here you only prove me you definatly aren't mature....
I've seen several people claiming similar things, but rarely i've seen someone using as much BS as you just did.
About your steel, please continue to produce it and think you are making a huge profit....as if anybody in here actually would care.....
And about your adds, you don't produce them, but you keep the building untill you have enough adds....yet you whine about not making a profit....
Dude, you have no clue about business.
But hey, whatever makes you happy....just don't bother others with your BS!!!!!!
I hate to see new players following your lead cuz they think you know what you are doing when talking BS like this..
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So i guess you win!Ronintje wrote:Strange, in another thread you claimed you were mature despite being 13.
Right here you only prove me you definatly aren't mature....
I've seen several people claiming similar things, but rarely i've seen someone using as much BS as you just did.
About your steel, please continue to produce it and think you are making a huge profit....as if anybody in here actually would care.....
And about your adds, you don't produce them, but you keep the building untill you have enough adds....yet you whine about not making a profit....
Dude, you have no clue about business.
But hey, whatever makes you happy....just don't bother others with your BS!!!!!!
I hate to see new players following your lead cuz they think you know what you are doing when talking BS like this..
the only way to do this is your way.
market prices approzimatly.
my steel q is 44
power is .17 q0
coal is 20 q10
iron is 30 q19
chemicals are 40 q12
2 (30)kg Iron ore 5 (20)kg Coal 0.5(40) kg Chemicals 200 (.17)kWh Power
60+100+20+35=195 c
q(10+19+12+0+44)=17q
17 q is currently selling for some where between 215 and 300
so i guess you are right i not rolling in the dough if i were to buy all the materials from the market. but i know for a fact if u look at it like i buy power from myself no market expense at
.17 from the .01 it costs me that is a profit of .16 for the power
so yeah i don't make any money on actually producing the steel. i make money on producing the power.
but like someone else said. you don't play this game for money. you don't play it for power, you don't play it for for any reason other than it is fun. Now will you be will to accept the fact that my piower plants wells my mines and my factories produce the raw materials for the steel much cheaper than the market price of thoes products. so i do actually lose money prodcuing the steel. but like i stated before if i am doing something that is losing money that means some one else is make a better profit. i make my profit producing power to sell to myself. and i am producing steel to help other companies. now this may not be true in the real world two people can lose money even if one this the other is not but it kinda hard to lsoe money in this game.
so please don't get so offensive. if u know your better than me use it to teach me not hurt me. we would be a much better community if you would be willing to teach me. maybe one day when i have time i will go through all the complex algrbra that is required to become the most profitable buisness but i got other homework and i just enjoy the social asspects as well as the growing business and seeing the 0's. you may see many more 0's than i but i will still see some. and with E=mc^2 and
delta s >or= 0 and with Peace, may you forgive my not understanding and trying to prove that with time the intial investment doesn't matter. nor does it really matter that i lose money with my last step. but thanks for showing me that there are many ways to make and to calculate how much money a person making.
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One can only teach when the person who is teached is willing to be teached.jkeller4000 wrote: so please don't get so offensive. if u know your better than me use it to teach me not hurt me. we would be a much better community if you would be willing to teach me..
Q44 steel research is a lovely thing which definatly allows you to get a nice bonus on your steel.