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Post by Guest » 22.02.2010, 13:12

For those who do not know, Straw Man, is a term used in debate.

Here is a definition of the term from Wikicrappia.

A straw man argument is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position. To "attack a straw man" is to create the illusion of having refuted a proposition by substituting a superficially similar proposition (the "straw man"), and refuting it, without ever having actually refuted the original position.

Presenting and refuting a weakened form of an opponent's argument can be a part of a valid argument. For example, one can argue that the opposing position implies that at least one other statement - being presumably easier to refute than the original position - must be true. If one refutes this weaker proposition, the refutation is valid and does not fit the above definition of a "straw man" argument.


On to pk's research. Have you had the chance to read the Spaulding manuscript? This was written before the Book of Mormon according to a friend who showed me this, and the Book of Mormon practically plagiarizes the manuscript. Also you ever notice you never heard of Mormon Temples being bombed by terrorist? Many ex-masonic members have shown that both religions are a part of their pyramid of power.

Now as for me, I look at the person not their belief, to judge who they are for the most part. Do I have an indifference to the beliefs of religions outside of Christianity? Yes and no. As long as it isn't imposing on my life then no. And I shall do the same for them or an atheist. Many times people want to debate about my faith and beliefs. I always decline and see it as a disrespect, when I respect that they believe differently already.

Now getting mad, angry, and furious on the forums, you could say, "That's not very Christian of you." Ok, no it isn't, but it very human of me. I grew up with a Sicilian father who was a devoted Roman Catholic and a mother who was Eastern Orthodox. I was raised being a Catholic. I went to CCD all through school. Then I left the church, went agnostic to atheism to agnosticism to non-denom Christianity.

Now does that make me religious? Ha! Hardly. :) Do I get poked at in person that my faith is stupid or dumb. Nope. But that's where the internet is great. A trolling coward can type, audio record, or make a video and rip on you with whatever they want to say, with no fear of recourse and glee if you show anger or sadness to their ad hominems and name calling. Like one troll said to me in a PM when he thought I was a troll in a Christian chat room, "What's the worse they can do? Type angrily at me or boot me? That's a laugh." Took me awhile to remember that from an earlier incident right here in the forum. ;)

But I don't worship a church, follow any true dogma, or anything in that nature. People call it a relationship, but I hate the connotation to that because it sounds kind of elitist to some people.

There's my spin on this old and dusty subject. :P

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Post by Guest » 23.02.2010, 05:53

i learnt straw man in english class ^^

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Post by Guest » 23.02.2010, 15:45

The Spaulding manuscript is to Mormonism
what the DaVinci Code is catholicism

Both are lovely works of fiction that have been linked to a religion
by Conspiracy Theorists but have never actually been proven.


pkinc
NFU

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Post by Guest » 23.02.2010, 23:26

pk121 wrote:The Spaulding manuscript is to Mormonism
what the DaVinci Code is catholicism

Both are lovely works of fiction that have been linked to a religion
by Conspiracy Theorists but have never actually been proven.


pkinc
NFU
Well as soon as I can find a pdf of the Spaulding manuscript, I can't truthfully say it plagiarizes the Book of Mormon or not. I would like to read it though. Making comparisons can be kinda fun ya know? :)

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Post by Guest » 24.02.2010, 04:51

yes it would be an interesting read and especially side by side with the
Book of Mormons....

I dont knock anybodies religious beliefs ... but its the dyed in the wool "born again" religious zealots who really get my goat...no matter what religion they come from.
What gives some one the right to tell me I will go to Hell..isn't judgement
up to the Supreme Being?? does it not say in most Christian Bibles "judge not lest you be judged"
Let us assume that in some far and away remote undiscovered island there is a tribe of very devout (to their religion) people that firmly believe it is part of their religion to sacrifice that virgin so the volcano does not erupt.Will they be going to Hell??? or will thery be going to Heaven because they actually followed and believed in their religion..???

Do you think that there are certain main stream religions that could actually be considered a cult?? Was Christianity considered a cult way back when?? What kind of religion teaches Babtism by death..if you dont convert I can kill you and you will be saved??? How much damage has been done in the name of religion on this planet???

pkinc

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Post by Guest » 06.03.2010, 17:40

To find an honest opinion on this subject you really need to look past what you personally believe.

My point is that if God created the universe, then who created God. Then you have to answer another question which is impossible to answer; who made the person that made God? :roll: See, there is no answer to any of these questions.

Being completely fair, the Big Bang Theory can not be explained either. If all of the cells in the universe collided at great speed, similar to nuclear fusion (when you thump two hydrogen atoms together), then how did the cells get there in the first place. And if the cells weren't there then there would have been nothing. The thing with saying there was 'nothing' is that you can't imagine nothing. 'Nothing' has to be made.

Another thing is that we have hundreds of different elements on this planet. As far as I am aware there is nothing in the Christian Bible that says God created lots of different elements. It just says he created the Earth; it never said he had a certain recipe to follow. :wink:

As for people finding Roman chariots at the bottom of the Red sea, there could have been a ship carrying cargo of chariots in the Red Sea that was in stormy weather and the cargo got tipped off. Don't forget that boats and ships were invented at that time. Azer, with no offence mate, you looked at that in a religious way. You have to consider other options; Such as the one I have just suggested and plenty of others I am sure. I'm not saying that Moses didn't part the Red Sea; I'm just saying that other theories are more believable.

Have a good day anyway.
Euan. :P

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Post by Guest » 06.03.2010, 19:49

StatusQuoFan wrote: My point is that if God created the universe, then who created God. Then you have to answer another question which is impossible to answer; who made the person that made God?
Chuck Norris made the person that made God.

Guest

Post by Guest » 06.03.2010, 19:50

I don't know who Chuck Norris is :(

Guest

Post by Guest » 06.03.2010, 19:52

LOL Chuck Norris! :lol: He wasn't alive then.

Kingrewt: Chuck Norris is a fictional character in an old television programme.

Guest

Post by Guest » 06.03.2010, 19:53

Still don't know who he is and I am roughly the same age as you.

Guest

Post by Guest » 06.03.2010, 19:56

Yeah, good point lol :lol:

What you been up to?

Guest

Post by Guest » 06.03.2010, 22:35

StatusQuoFan wrote:LOL Chuck Norris! :lol: He wasn't alive then.

Kingrewt: Chuck Norris is a fictional character in an old television programme.

not fixtional!!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuck_Norris

some facts about him:
http://www.thechucknorrisfacts.com/

Guest

Post by Guest » 06.03.2010, 22:37

lol you REALLY like Chuck Norris don't you? :lol:

Guest

Post by Guest » 06.03.2010, 22:44

no... I like only the facts about him :)

Guest

Post by Guest » 06.03.2010, 22:55

Ok.

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